Street Sense to skip Belmont - Page 7

letswastemoney · #**121** 05-31-2007, 11:16 PM

i wouldn't discount Tiago from winning

Hickory Hill Hoff · #**122** 05-31-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

Sorry to be a piss pot, thought you were gonna start things up again even after I agreed with you(especially about SS!!) I think running him back at CD and then on to Monmouth would be a good route for his connections to take.

I also agree with what KG says.

Nice "STONE" ...great craftmanship, where can I get one like that?

estreetposse · #**123** 06-01-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Nice "STONE" ...great craftmanship, where can I get one like that?

I make house calls!! Haven't done much in the Sand Flats but many of my fine crafted memorials can be viewed all over the Mohawk Valley and Capital District.(shameless plug)

As far as SS...many people gave his connections the utmost respect prior to and following the derby...myself wasn't one of them. I really don't understand all the 2nd guessing and seemingly disrespectful tone they have been getting since the decision not to run. It is their horse...they are the responsible ones for the horses future & if they don't see a positive reason for running him then that's fine...don't run him & look towards the future. Most will still be fans of the horse and the sport if he doesn't run in the Belmont...the rest can keep playing owner/trainer on their laptops at home.

ARyan · #**124** 06-01-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'd actually cast my vote for the impossible to root for Steve Asmussen.

IMO, Larry Jones wasn't being a "straight-shooter" with some of the things he'd said after the Southwest Stakes with Hard Spun. I realize he trains for an owner who seems like a pest, and he's not a "big name" trainer---but, that wasn't straight-talk coming out of LJ's mouth. He may have "cowboy" as his nickname...and may try to act like he's not the sharpest tool in the shed...but I've heard other quotes from him that suggest to me that he has a racing IQ above the average trainer.

To Asmussen's credit....he's stayed the course with Curlin. He didn't go out of his way to make a case that his horse ran as well as Street Sense in the Derby inspite of the 8 length margin of defeat---and believe me, it wouldn't have been hard to make that case. And, he was also the only trainer who took the heat and allowed HBO's Real Sports to interview him in the story they did about top trainers and their bad tests.
While Nafzger may not win any awards for "best sport" --- I'm sure he's doing only what he believes is right by the horse...and how much can you really fault him for that?

Take the heat!!! By not answering for anything!!

HBO: "How do you explain these test results?"
Assmussen: "I don't explain them."
HBO: "What do you mean you don't explain them?"
Assmussen: "Do you know how successful I am? Don't you think people are out to see me fail?"

Wow! What a great defense! He is simply so logical in his statements!

I can't stand him...

I feel bad for the horse. I think he is a great horse, but the fact he is in Assmussen's care sickens me.

Withers · #**125** 06-01-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Belmont's stretch isn't that long. Wide sweeping turns yes. Long, long stretch, no.

Fair enough. But it's long, long after a mile and a half, no?

hockey2315 · #**126** 06-01-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan

Take the heat!!! By not answering for anything!!

HBO: "How do you explain these test results?"
Assmussen: "I don't explain them."
HBO: "What do you mean you don't explain them?"
Assmussen: "Do you know how successful I am? Don't you think people are out to see me fail?"

Wow! What a great defense! He is simply so logical in his statements!

I can't stand him...

I feel bad for the horse. I think he is a great horse, but the fact he is in Assmussen's care sickens me.

He had a point, though. . . Why would he use 750 times the legal limit of a substance that's easily detectable?

ARyan · #**127** 06-01-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

He had a point, though. . . Why would he use 750 times the legal limit of a substance that's easily detectable?

Why?

Maybe because he uses these types of drugs on many of his horses, and someone got sloppy. Who knows the truth, but the fact is he has been suspended multiple times, and does use these types of drugs on his horses.

He has no point, he is a liar, and a cheat. I hope someday, when he is caught again, he has his license revoked in every state.

I hope PA sets an example with Vaders and other states follow PA's lead.

Cannon Shell · #**128** 06-01-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

He had a point, though. . . Why would he use 750 times the legal limit of a substance that's easily detectable?

Maybe because he has got away with it for a long time and the labs finally were testing for it? The defense is the oldest trick in the book. The "I'm not possibly that dumb to do that" trick?

Cannon Shell · #**129** 06-01-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And, he was also the only trainer who took the heat and allowed HBO's Real Sports to interview him in the story they did about top trainers and their bad tests.

Actually he had no idea what they were going to ask him. They told him it was going to be about Curlin.

Cannon Shell · #**130** 06-01-2007, 01:37 PM

I understand that most of the year turf writers have little to write about that anyone outside of diehards and people like us care about. I also understand that Street Sense being in the Belmont would make it a more interesting race. But the degree to which these guys are howling about this horse not running is stupid. It is one race in a 365 day schedule. Sure it is a classic but the problems of horse racing have almost nothing to do with the Triple Crown. The people who wont watch the Belmont because SS isn't in it aren't real fans anyway and probably wont be regardless of what happens. The people who support the game will be betting it despite his absense.

The guy made a choice to pass a demanding race with decreased relevance in the modern thoroughbred world. His horse may be lightly raced in the minds of some but the races are all tightly bunched and this would be his 4th race in 8 weeks. Which may not be a demanding schedule for a horse of past times but it is now. He doesn't wear front bandages because Carl has an endorsement deal with Vetwrap.

As a trainer I understand why he is doing this. And I think it is the right thing to do. I'm quite confident that his instincts are telling him to pass more than some possible stallion deal. As for the hysterical prophets of doom, What do you think they would have said if Frank Whitely would have passed on the match race?

fpsoxfan · #**131** 06-01-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I understand that most of the year turf writers have little to write about that anyone outside of diehards and people like us care about. I also understand that Street Sense being in the Belmont would make it a more interesting race. But the degree to which these guys are howling about this horse not running is stupid. It is one race in a 365 day schedule. Sure it is a classic but the problems of horse racing have almost nothing to do with the Triple Crown. The people who wont watch the Belmont because SS isn't in it aren't real fans anyway and probably wont be regardless of what happens. The people who support the game will be betting it despite his absense.

The guy made a choice to pass a demanding race with decreased relevance in the modern thoroughbred world. His horse may be lightly raced in the minds of some but the races are all tightly bunched and this would be his 4th race in 8 weeks. Which may not be a demanding schedule for a horse of past times but it is now. He doesn't wear front bandages because Carl has an endorsement deal with Vetwrap.

As a trainer I understand why he is doing this. And I think it is the right thing to do. I'm quite confident that his instincts are telling him to pass more than some possible stallion deal. As for the hysterical prophets of doom, What do you think they would have said if Frank Whitely would have passed on the match race?

Excellent Points Chuck......By the way, Phonsie and the boys are in the B-Finals on Saturday...Good Luck Spa Catholic!!

estreetposse · #**132** 06-01-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I understand that most of the year turf writers have little to write about that anyone outside of diehards and people like us care about. I also understand that Street Sense being in the Belmont would make it a more interesting race. But the degree to which these guys are howling about this horse not running is stupid. It is one race in a 365 day schedule. Sure it is a classic but the problems of horse racing have almost nothing to do with the Triple Crown. The people who wont watch the Belmont because SS isn't in it aren't real fans anyway and probably wont be regardless of what happens. The people who support the game will be betting it despite his absense.

The guy made a choice to pass a demanding race with decreased relevance in the modern thoroughbred world. His horse may be lightly raced in the minds of some but the races are all tightly bunched and this would be his 4th race in 8 weeks. Which may not be a demanding schedule for a horse of past times but it is now. He doesn't wear front bandages because Carl has an endorsement deal with Vetwrap.

As a trainer I understand why he is doing this. And I think it is the right thing to do. I'm quite confident that his instincts are telling him to pass more than some possible stallion deal. As for the hysterical prophets of doom, What do you think they would have said if Frank Whitely would have passed on the match race?

I was hoping you would give us your viewpoint. Thank you!!

estreetposse · #**133** 06-01-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Excellent Points Chuck......By the way, Phonsie and the boys are in the B-Finals on Saturday...Good Luck Spa Catholic!!

He'll buy me a vodka yet damn it!!

fpsoxfan · #**134** 06-01-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

He'll buy me a vodka yet damn it!!

Buy you one....Heck I would've made you one last night. The Vodka Tonics were flowing like...uh....well....Vodka Tonics. Might stick to the Coors Light tonight.

estreetposse · #**135** 06-01-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Buy you one....Heck I would've made you one last night. The Vodka Tonics were flowing like...uh....well....Vodka Tonics. Might stick to the Coors Light tonight.

Lord I'm Thirsty...Might have some Spritzas!!! or maybe just some "33's"

Nothing like an Ice Cold Rolling Rock on 90 degree day!!

brianwspencer · #**136** 06-01-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Buy you one....Heck I would've made you one last night. The Vodka Tonics were flowing like...uh....well....Vodka Tonics. Might stick to the Coors Light tonight.

Last night in Ann Arbor shall be hereby declared Margaritas With Friends Night.