peegardn's college top 10

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Say what you will but the SEC teams are good but not much better than 30 other teams throughout the country. The fact that the SEC is bigger with 12 teams may lead to depth. Fact is that the gap is narrowing quickly.

In the Big 12 it leads to dilution of talent. Practically every team has kids from Texas. Oklahoma has over 50 % of its players from Texas. Nebraska used to have close to that (not anymore and they are bad). ATM, Texas Tech, Texas are almost all Texas.

Add TCU, SMU (not Big 12), Baylor, Oklahoma ST., Colorado (use to draw a lot more from Texas also) Even Kansas, Kansas ST. Missouri have a bunch of good players from Texas.
This was ONe reason that when Texas entered the Big 12 they entertained the idea of going to the Pac-10 first. Recruiting wars are ridiculous.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Louisville has beat Uk every year for a while, pounding the hell out of them on a couple occasions, and had them beat this year until a blown coverage in the final seconds. No excuse but they are clearly as good as UK. LSU is the best team in the country supposedly but I saw first hand how good they really are. Good team with a diverse offense and a lot of speed on defense. But I have no doubt that USF could give them fits and I have no questions that Louisville would put up 30 pts on them. The difference between the top 50 teams is not that great.

I think that the SEC is the single most overrated division or conference in sports. They are a good conference with a lot of good teams but they refuse to schedule tough non conferences teams, almost never on the road and when they do, often they lose. The SEC as a conference is 7-4 in non conference "legit" games. The only 11 games against teams that are semi legitimate they are 7-4, mostly in close games. ol miss escaped Memphis, UK went to the final minute against Louisville, Alabama held on against Houston, SC struggled with UNC...There are some mandated games left in which the SEC schools are far from locks . Ga Tech/GA, WV/Ol Miss, SC/Clemson, FL/FSU, Vandy/Wake are all games that could easily go in the favor of the non SEC team. In fact they will probably only be favored in 2 of them.

Of course the tradition and all that crap may matter to someone and certainly influences voters in the polls but the reality out on the field is that the SEC is not nearly as far ahead of everybody else as its boosters may realize.

The West is clearly stronger in the NBA, The AL is stronger in MLB, The AFC is much stronger in the NFL. The SEC is not nearly clearly better than the other major conferences, though the Big Ten appears to be a shell of its former self...

I can agree with you, I guess I am just not sold on the Big East, and on Rutgers and USF. As I said, does anyone remember Maryland in 2001, Tulane in 1998, Utah in 2004?

I think we both agree that the parity in College Football has grown to the point where no game is a guaranteed win for any top 50 vs. top 50 team. I enjoy that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I can agree with you, I guess I am just not sold on the Big East, and on Rutgers and USF. As I said, does anyone remember Maryland in 2001, Tulane in 1998, Utah in 2004?

I think we both agree that the parity in College Football has grown to the point where no game is a guaranteed win for any top 50 vs. top 50 team. I enjoy that.

The difference is that Utah and Tulane are always going to be limited because of location and in Tulane case size of the school. Maryland has no excuse though they are a better program than Vandy or either of the Mississippi schools. The fact is Rutgers should be good. They are a rich state school sitting in the middle of a gold mine worth of talent. The coach they brought in has done a great job and looks like he is staying. USF is a relatively new school who has done nothing but improve. Plus they too are located in a area where the talent level is great. Add in the fact they play in a pro stadium and have a good coach...why wouldn't they be good? West Virginia is a good program with a good coach. Louisville may have lost its most important asset when Petrino left but have a high national profile and have done a great job of both keeping homegrown talent and getting kids from all over the country. Syracuse needs to make a change on the top but they could easily go back to being a good program . UConn only has been around in Division 1 for a few years but is already pretty good. Pitt has Wandstad, enough said.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference is that Utah and Tulane are always going to be limited because of location and in Tulane case size of the school. Maryland has no excuse though they are a better program than Vandy or either of the Mississippi schools. The fact is Rutgers should be good. They are a rich state school sitting in the middle of a gold mine worth of talent. The coach they brought in has done a great job and looks like he is staying. USF is a relatively new school who has done nothing but improve. Plus they too are located in a area where the talent level is great. Add in the fact they play in a pro stadium and have a good coach...why wouldn't they be good? West Virginia is a good program with a good coach. Louisville may have lost its most important asset when Petrino left but have a high national profile and have done a great job of both keeping homegrown talent and getting kids from all over the country. Syracuse needs to make a change on the top but they could easily go back to being a good program . UConn only has been around in Division 1 for a few years but is already pretty good. Pitt has Wandstad, enough said.

UConn will be like USF in a few years. . .

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference is that Utah and Tulane are always going to be limited because of location and in Tulane case size of the school. Maryland has no excuse though they are a better program than Vandy or either of the Mississippi schools. The fact is Rutgers should be good. They are a rich state school sitting in the middle of a gold mine worth of talent. The coach they brought in has done a great job and looks like he is staying. USF is a relatively new school who has done nothing but improve. Plus they too are located in a area where the talent level is great. Add in the fact they play in a pro stadium and have a good coach...why wouldn't they be good? West Virginia is a good program with a good coach. Louisville may have lost its most important asset when Petrino left but have a high national profile and have done a great job of both keeping homegrown talent and getting kids from all over the country. Syracuse needs to make a change on the top but they could easily go back to being a good program . UConn only has been around in Division 1 for a few years but is already pretty good. Pitt has Wandstad, enough said.

marylands problem right now, they can't keep the home grown kids. one of auburn's rb is from the eastern shore of md. sc, clemson and Alabama regularly have kids from the dc area. md was always famous for having the best del-ny-nj kids, outside of psu. those kids are not coming to md anymore. the acc needs md to get better.
wvu and a couple other schools in the big east have an advantage in entrance test scores. they can take kids with test scores that can't qualify for other schools. wvu is also more inclined to take "questionable" kids.

[Bigsmc]

Interesting exercise in today's St. Pete Times. They asked Danny Sheridan and Bodog to set lines for USF playing the Top 15 at a neutral site. These are lines as they relate to USF. Favored over both ACC schools hmmmmmmmmmm.

                   Sheridan            Bodog
OSU                +8                   +13
BC                  -2                    -3
LSU                 +7                   +17
OU                  +8                   +13
USC                 -1                   +1.5
UK                   -3.5                -1
ASU                 -3                   +1.5
WVU                +6                   OFF
ORE                 +2                    +2
VT                   -1                    -4
CAL                  +2                   +7
KAN                  -1                   -6.5
SOCAL              +2                   +14
UF                   +6                  +12

[The Bid]

Ohio State doesnt need points from a team that got beat by Stanford, however it is a nice gesture

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Ohio State doesnt need points from a team that got beat by Stanford, however it is a nice gesture

Um Bid. Those odds are for USF against the teams down the left column. No OSU-USC odds there.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Um Bid. Those odds are for USF against the teams down the left column. No OSU-USC odds there.

Why the disparity between the two linemakers?


Don't know BODOG. ....never thought supposedly well known linesmakers could be so far apart on a lot of those.

[The Bid]

I thought all the odds were against set if each team played USC

Of course we all know Ohio State would need points if that were the case. I should have known

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Why the disparity between the two linemakers?


Don't know BODOG. ....never thought supposedly well known linesmakers could be so far apart on a lot of those.

No clue Morty. They are quite far apart with some of them. BODOG is an offshore internet site.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

No clue Morty. They are quite far apart with some of them. BODOG is an offshore internet site.

Oh.





Thanks.......seems like somebody might not be doing so hot. You would think some agency would rate them over a year....they probably do.

[Mortimer]

OH MY GOD!!!






My spy name types!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference is that Utah and Tulane are always going to be limited because of location and in Tulane case size of the school. Maryland has no excuse though they are a better program than Vandy or either of the Mississippi schools. The fact is Rutgers should be good. They are a rich state school sitting in the middle of a gold mine worth of talent. The coach they brought in has done a great job and looks like he is staying. USF is a relatively new school who has done nothing but improve. Plus they too are located in a area where the talent level is great. Add in the fact they play in a pro stadium and have a good coach...why wouldn't they be good? West Virginia is a good program with a good coach. Louisville may have lost its most important asset when Petrino left but have a high national profile and have done a great job of both keeping homegrown talent and getting kids from all over the country. Syracuse needs to make a change on the top but they could easily go back to being a good program . UConn only has been around in Division 1 for a few years but is already pretty good. Pitt has Wandstad, enough said.

I think Schiano will be the next Penn State coach whenever JoePa decides to step down...be it 2 years, 4 years or 19 years if he wants to try to coach into triple digits. He'll stay at Rutgers until then. I could be wrong, but I thought I heard some rumors regarding that scenario.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I think Schiano will be the next Penn State coach whenever JoePa decides to step down...be it 2 years, 4 years or 19 years if he wants to try to coach into triple digits. He'll stay at Rutgers until then. I could be wrong, but I thought I heard some rumors regarding that scenario.

I doubt Joe ever steps down. He may croak on the job but I think he will stay till they drag him out or carry him out.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I think Schiano will be the next Penn State coach whenever JoePa decides to step down...be it 2 years, 4 years or 19 years if he wants to try to coach into triple digits. He'll stay at Rutgers until then. I could be wrong, but I thought I heard some rumors regarding that scenario.

does schiano have psu ties? personally i think he's dumb to leave rutgers. ru and psu recruit the same players, he's winning the battle now and he's king of ru for as long as he wants to stay.

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Interesting exercise in today's St. Pete Times. They asked Danny Sheridan and Bodog to set lines for USF playing the Top 15 at a neutral site. These are lines as they relate to USF. Favored over both ACC schools hmmmmmmmmmm.

                   Sheridan            Bodog
OSU                +8                   +13
BC                  -2                    -3
LSU                 +7                   +17
OU                  +8                   +13
USC                 -1                   +1.5
UK                   -3.5                -1
ASU                 -3                   +1.5
WVU                +6                   OFF
ORE                 +2                    +2
VT                   -1                    -4
CAL                  +2                   +7
KAN                  -1                   -6.5
SOCAL              +2                   +14
UF                   +6                  +12

THis is very interesting.
To me it shows they got
LSU, OSU, OU, USCAliforn, and Florida as the top teams.

I would still just go with Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU. LSU giving points against anyone at a neutral site.

So Boston College is at Virginia Tech
Auburn at LSU

Ohio State has to go undefeated due to SOS.

It could be Oklahoma - South Carolina/Kentucky but these two have to win the SEC championship game....Arizona State? Nah. Then there is West Virginia.

Oklahoma - West Virginia? Bleh.

[King Glorious]

Well, I'm absolutely convinced now. South Florida was unquestionably deserving of the #2 ranking in the country. What a joke.

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Well, I'm absolutely convinced now. South Florida was unquestionably deserving of the #2 ranking in the country. What a joke.

Party is over, beeeoootchesssss.....