Any respect for Pyro now?

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How much do people think Pyro's odds will change with an off the board finish in the Blue Grass? Pulpit's have done absolutely nothing on the synthetics so far so I'm not expecting much out of him on it. Will people really be dumb enough to dismiss him off a poor effort on the polycrap?

I wouldn't be so quick writing off Pulpit on synthetic. Church Service, for one, has certainly been reborn on poly.
Though I am also hoping for an off-the-board finish Saturday.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How much do people think Pyro's odds will change with an off the board finish in the Blue Grass? Pulpit's have done absolutely nothing on the synthetics so far so I'm not expecting much out of him on it. Will people really be dumb enough to dismiss him off a poor effort on the polycrap?

A couple of years ago it would have had a huge effect. Everyone is now getting accustomed to differing form on dirt and poly, so although there would certainly be some new questions, Pyro would still be one of the top 3 choices if he ran a dull 4th.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Bystander

I wouldn't be so quick writing off Pulpit on synthetic. Church Service, for one, has certainly been reborn on poly.
Though I am also hoping for an off-the-board finish Saturday.

There are always exceptions but overall it hasn't been too pretty.

2008 AW - 15 runners, 2 winners, 0 Stakes Winners - 13% winners
2008 All - 71 runners, 24 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 34% winners

2007 AW - 51 runners, 17 winners, 1 Stakes Winner - 33% winners
2007 All - 145 runners, 78 winners, 10 Stakes Winners - 54% winners

Obviously one would expect more winners when all surfaces are used than just the synthetics but the difference in the numbers for Pulpit are a lot more pronounced than the difference in most other stallions and only one stakes winner is extremely weak. For instance Tiznow:

2008 AW - 26 runners, 10 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 38% winners
2008 All - 81 runners, 23 winners, 3 Stakes Winners - 28% winners

In '07 Tiznow's numbers were about the same as Pulpit but four of his six stakes winners were on the synthetics and 35% of his earnings were on synthetics compared to only 12% for Pulpit.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are always exceptions but overall it hasn't been too pretty.

2008 AW - 15 runners, 2 winners, 0 Stakes Winners - 13% winners
2008 All - 71 runners, 24 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 34% winners

2007 AW - 51 runners, 17 winners, 1 Stakes Winner - 33% winners
2007 All - 145 runners, 78 winners, 10 Stakes Winners - 54% winners

Obviously one would expect more winners when all surfaces are used than just the synthetics but the difference in the numbers for Pulpit are a lot more pronounced than the difference in most other stallions and only one stakes winner is extremely weak. For instance Tiznow:

2008 AW - 26 runners, 10 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 38% winners
2008 All - 81 runners, 23 winners, 3 Stakes Winners - 28% winners

this thread was called any respect for pyro now ? i simply stated i dont respect him anymore, and that i think court vision is going to run the race of his life in the derby, at huge odds.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this thread was called any respect for pyro now ? i simply stated i dont respect him anymore, and that i think court vision is going to run the race of his life in the derby, at huge odds.

And thankfully the thread has turned from that foolishness.

[Bobby Fischer]

If the pace is slow, I think Pyro does well. If he is 4th on a slow pace it won't be more than 2 lengths. Other than a win or bad health info on Brown, Brown probably goes favorite. A win probably puts Pyro as favorite or very close.

The only way I see him getting dusted is if someone sets a fast pace and runs away.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I wonder if Pyro will ever get over that the biggest mush in the world doesn't respect him. This mush has almost guarenteed Pyro wins and like Bystander am praying he is up the track at Keeneland.

I really appreciate you I mean your avatar.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Bystander

I wouldn't be so quick writing off Pulpit on synthetic. Church Service, for one, has certainly been reborn on poly.

I don't know Carla....

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know Carla....

F'off, Doug.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's Douglas to you!

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

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Post of the month.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this thread was called any respect for pyro now ? i simply stated i dont respect him anymore, and that i think court vision is going to run the race of his life in the derby, at huge odds.

Anyone that watched the Wood and came out of it with the impression that Court Vision could be a factor in the Derby needs to find a new hobby.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are always exceptions but overall it hasn't been too pretty.

2008 AW - 15 runners, 2 winners, 0 Stakes Winners - 13% winners
2008 All - 71 runners, 24 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 34% winners

2007 AW - 51 runners, 17 winners, 1 Stakes Winner - 33% winners
2007 All - 145 runners, 78 winners, 10 Stakes Winners - 54% winners

Obviously one would expect more winners when all surfaces are used than just the synthetics but the difference in the numbers for Pulpit are a lot more pronounced than the difference in most other stallions and only one stakes winner is extremely weak. For instance Tiznow:

2008 AW - 26 runners, 10 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 38% winners
2008 All - 81 runners, 23 winners, 3 Stakes Winners - 28% winners

In '07 Tiznow's numbers were about the same as Pulpit but four of his six stakes winners were on the synthetics and 35% of his earnings were on synthetics compared to only 12% for Pulpit.

as of march 29, pulpit was #2 on the leading sires list. not even on the list for synthetic tho. but he's #6 for turfers, so go figure.