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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As Arl Jim said, "It's not possible for the US to be a one stop solution for every despotic regime. Foreign policy has to be pragmatic using policies crafted specifically for each individual situation."
I agree with Arl Jim 100% on this. I think this ansewrs your question as to why the US supports dictators when it suits them. We play the cards that are dealt us. I think it's that simple.
You made a sarcastic comment about the US government being altruistic. We may not always be altruistic but we are a helluva lot more altruistic than any other country in the world. We provide more aid all around the world than any other country.
You seem to have a lot of questions and criticisms about US foreign policy, but you don't seem to have any answers.
Anyway, US foreign policy with regard to Israel is not going to change. Israel has great bi-partisan support in Congress as it should. I know you'd like to see us support terrorists or "freedom fighters" as you would call them, but that won't be happening any time soon.

No Rupert, we dont "play the cards" rather we deal them. The US hasnt just supported dictators, we have put them in power and sponsored all of their attrocities and violations against humanity. I understand the US must play a sort of shell game in the grand scheme of world politics. But do we have to disguise these intentions to the American people as if we are indeed being pure in all of our motives? I have seen each one of you sit here and say initially that the moves made were in the name of "freedom" and "fight against tyranny" and now it seems that you are going back on that a little. Maybe a lot.

Why should it have "great bipartisan support in congress"? Have you ever thought about that once when there was a commercial on Rush's show?

I would love to see a fair and balanced approach to the middle east where the opinions, feelings, needs and interests of all sides were taken into account. Israel has a right to defend herself...no doubt. But not on my dollar.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

You can go ahead and put up the names, but at the same time I want to know from you what should the strategy have been at the time? Who should we have supported, anyone? No one? I know that you can come up with a list of despised dictators but that's not the hard part.

Now that's a great answer !!!

You're learning fast, Jimbo ... these guys are fast with the criticisms ... but they never offer an alternative.

The other guy said I was "insane" because of the tax distribution numbers I posted ... but ... did you notice that he never came up with figures of his own to refute mine?

Yup ... that's the technique to use with them ... "Hey, you don't like the strategy that was used ... then what would you have done ... hmmmm?"

Shuts 'em down every time.

Notice there is no response to why I should pay for their military instead of the Israeli taxpayer paying for their own military. I am glad people in my own country that pay taxes that live in New Orleans or MS can't get their city rebuilt with their own tax dollar because we need to make sure taxes stay low in a foreign country. God must not want them to pay too much in taxes.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay Jim...I'll bite.

Just for starters:

How about the somozas in Nicaragua?

How about Mobutu in the congo?

How about Idi Amin?

How about Pol Pot?

Thats just starters...you want more?

I notice you conveniently left out every country I mentioned ... where we backed a dictator against communist aggression ... then after we defeated communism ... we helped Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Chile, Nicaragua, and El Salvador become free democracies.

You did mention Nicaragua ... but to what end? We helped defeat the communists and it's now a free democracy ... did you prefer a different outcome ... and what would that outcome have been?

Congo? Are you serious? That was a Belgian colony which never even made it on our radar. We never had ... and never wanted ... any influence there.

Idi Amin? We always worked against him ... and now Uganda is an emerging democracy. Another successful strategy and outcome. What would you have preferred?

Pol Pot? He was a murderous communist whom we worked against ... but unfortunately we couldn't prevent from coming to power after the communists swept into South Vietnam ... after our Democrat Congress shamelessly abandoned our allies by completely cutting off our aid.

How about Iran? That was a case where numbskull Jimmuh abandoned a pro-western dictator ... the shah ... and handed the country over to the fanatical mullahs ... and the entire world has been paying a horrible price ever since. Doncha think that staying with the shah would have been better than the idiotic strategy of Jimmuh ... the worst president we've ever had?

And Vietnam? Another horrible mistake of not backing a pro-western Christian dictator ... Diem. Did I say not backing him? Hey .. the idiot Kennedy had him murdered! Again ... was not backing a pro-western dictator in South Vietnam a good idea?

Yes, my friend ... there are times when choosing the lesser of two evils yields beneficial results ... South Korea, Taiwan, The Phillipines, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador ... and other times when NOT backing a dictator leads to even worse results ... Vietnam, Iran.

You do see that now ... don't you?

Originally Posted by boldruler

Notice there is no response to why I should pay for their military instead of the Israeli taxpayer paying for their own military. I am glad people in my own country that pay taxes that live in New Orleans or MS can't get their city rebuilt with their own tax dollar because we need to make sure taxes stay low in a foreign country. God must not want them to pay too much in taxes.

Folks ... as you see ... this man is seriously demented.

I answered his question three times ... and even offered to pay his tab for our aid to Israel ... but he's still saying there's "no response."

As I said .. if the real Bold Ruler had performed like this guy ... he'd have been gelded and sent to Nebraska.

What a sad, sorry loser.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No Rupert, we dont "play the cards" rather we deal them. The US hasnt just supported dictators, we have put them in power and sponsored all of their attrocities and violations against humanity. I understand the US must play a sort of shell game in the grand scheme of world politics. But do we have to disguise these intentions to the American people as if we are indeed being pure in all of our motives? I have seen each one of you sit here and say initially that the moves made were in the name of "freedom" and "fight against tyranny" and now it seems that you are going back on that a little. Maybe a lot.

Hey ... talk to me, pal ... I'm right in front of you.

I listed 44 countries with billions of people that we've liberated over the past 65 years ... and you continue to ignore that fact .... and make wild, baseless claims completely unsupported by any facts.

And I've backed down from nothing ... because I've embarrassed and humiliated you and your buddies throughout this thread.

Your other little pal ran away with his tail between his legs. He only shows up to throw sand in the air .. and then wait for you to say, "Hey, man ... you're great."

All we get from you guys is a circle jerk ... which I guess is what makes you really happy.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As Arl Jim said, "It's not possible for the US to be a one stop solution for every despotic regime. Foreign policy has to be pragmatic using policies crafted specifically for each individual situation."
I agree with Arl Jim 100% on this. I think this ansewrs your question as to why the US supports dictators when it suits them. We play the cards that are dealt us. I think it's that simple.
You made a sarcastic comment about the US government being altruistic. We may not always be altruistic but we are a helluva lot more altruistic than any other country in the world. We provide more aid all around the world than any other country.
You seem to have a lot of questions and criticisms about US foreign policy, but you don't seem to have any answers.
Anyway, US foreign policy with regard to Israel is not going to change. Israel has great bi-partisan support in Congress as it should. I know you'd like to see us support terrorists or "freedom fighters" as you would call them, but that won't be happening any time soon.

As I've said many times, Rupe ... don't expect a serious answer from these guys ...

... because all they can do is throw sand in the air and congratulate each other's ignorance.

That's their M.O. ... because they have nothing else.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Folks ... as you see ... this man is seriously demented.

I answered his question three times ... and even offered to pay his tab for our aid to Israel ... but he's still saying there's "no response."

As I said .. if the real Bold Ruler had performed like this guy ... he'd have been gelded and sent to Nebraska.

What a sad, sorry loser.

You answered nothing. You think americans should pay more taxes so Israelis, like yourself, can pay less in taxes. It is that simple.

You my friend are the loser. Answer this question, where is your first allegiance to the US or Israel? And only one country can come first. If US interests clash with Israeli interests, which do you side with? Go ahead traitor, answer that one.

Here is another. Are you in favor of getting a pardon for Jonathan Pollard, a traitor to the United States, like many people from Israel are?

Answer the questions this time. Don't pull your change the topic crap either.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Hey Grand Master,

You would not believe it, but I have read this whole thread. BEST POST I've seen yet (actually a dead heat with Jim's)

Although S2S, dalakhani and Bold Ruler are insignificant "busted out" welfare cases their thought process, ignorance and hatred is indeed chilling. Why does dalak continually spell America with a SMALL A; Freudian slip?

Dateline: Caesarea, Israel

Yesterday began an op whose name you will never see in the media (Operation Wrath of God) Sherman's "march to the sea" is going to look like a Labor Day picnic.

Here are some facts:

1) The body count being given to the media by Hizbollah is 10% of what it actually is.

2) IDF soldiers have been continually hearing battle orders being shouted about in Farsi when in Lebanon. Iran has "boots on the ground".

3) I am a HAWK who is not particually allied with either the right or the left 100% of the time. I have no problem in paraphrasing Marx when his words are those of my own feelings and beliefs.

4) It is widely acknowledged that the 4 most brilliant minds of the last 200 years are Freud, Marx, Einstein and Darwin. Interesting that 3 of the 4 are Jewish.

5) Unfortunately you are wasting your time with these 3 irrational misfits. At least fupeg has a brain when she isn't loaded.

6) The alcoholic Pat Buchanon is, and always was, America's leading antisemite. If his words were any different than the one's pasted above I'd start to worry.

I'm getting more hopeful that you're right about Israel's strategy ... I expect to see some real fireworks in the next week.

And I hope and pray that Junior from Damascus decides to get involved ... he probably won't because he's a complete coward ... but maybe he's just dumb enough to do so.

And yeah ... that guy really gave himself away by quoting Buchanan ... now we know just who he is and where he's coming from.

Are you going to answer my last post or just hide like one of the little girls in your military?

Originally Posted by boldruler

You answered nothing. You think americans should pay more taxes so Israelis, like yourself, can pay less in taxes. It is that simple.

You my friend are the loser. Answer this question, where is your first allegiance to the US or Israel? And only one country can come first. If US interests clash with Israeli interests, which do you side with? Go ahead traitor, answer that one.

Here is another. Are you in favor of getting a pardon for Jonathan Pollard, a traitor to the United States, like many people from Israel are?

Answer the questions this time. Don't pull your change the topic crap either.

You answer nothing ... all the time.

You said you would answer my earlier post point-by-point ... but I told everyone that you never would ... and you haven't.

I challenged you right to your face ... but you did what you always do ... put your tail between your legs and run away ... then wait for your buddies to show up so you can be "brave" again.

You got really scared when I told you Dixie was standing behind you ... didn't you?

When are you going to live up to your boast ... and answer my post point-by-point?

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You answer nothing ... all the time.

You said you would answer my earlier post point-by-point ... but I told everyone that you never would ... and you haven't.

I challenged you right to your face ... but you did what you always do ... put your tail between your legs and run away ... then wait for your buddies to show up so you can be "brave" again.

You got really scared when I told you Dixie was standing behind you ... didn't you?

When are you going to live up to your boast ... and answer my post point-by-point?

As I pointed out, you couldn't answer my questions, because you are a TRAITOR.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Are you going to answer my last post or just hide like one of the little girls in your military?

Little girls? MY military?

OK, pal ... you really hung yourself with that one ...

... I'm done with you ... but unfortunately for you ... I don't think Dixie is ...

... in fact ... he's standing right behind you ... LOOK OUT !!!!

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Con Law ... isn't that what they teach in prison to inmates who are trying to plea their way out?

Actually it is what they teach in american laws schoolsl. Idiot.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Dateline: Caesarea, Israel

Conde has conveyed a message, behind closed doors, from the Commander in Chief. "You have 14 more days and it's GIN"

As I type Beirut is in flames. The 2 day grace period for Conde's safe journey is over. Operation "Wrath of God" is in it's 2nd day. Supreme Cmndr. of the IDF has vowed that for every Katusha that lands in Haifa 10 Beirut buildings will vanish from the earth's surface. Two hours ago a 15 year old Israeli girl was killed by a Katusha in Haifa.

Last night's attempted missle (compliments os Syria) strike on TA was tracked by Arrow and Patriot anti missle batterys and was allowed to fall harmlessly into the sea rather than be shot down. As I have said before 90% of Iraq's WMD's were moved into Syria at the start of DS. They now are in the hands of Hizbollah. YES, the nuclear option is on the table as it was in 73.

Time to take the Enola Gay out of moth balls

Let's ROLL !!!

Originally Posted by boldruler

Actually it is what they teach in american laws schoolsl. Idiot.

Do they teach how to spell "schools"? And how to capitalize "American"?

As you see, folks ...

... when you stand up to these guys ... they eventualy get so frustrated and emotional that they expose their true selves.

We're clearly dealing here with a bunch of America-haters ... who have no real ideas ... but whose every word, move, and reflex is controlled by a hatred for the country which has protected them and allowed them to live in security and freedom.

At some point ... it becomes useless to continue debate with them ... because they're not only beyond reason ... they're even beyond humiliation and shame.

So that takes all the fun out it. How much more could I have humiliated them? And yet their hatred makes them impervious to even knowing how utterly foolish they look.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Actually ...

... I took a short break because Mrs. Brooklynite ... who is a gourmet cook ... prepared a meal of spaghetti alle vongole verace ... spinaci alla siciliana ... and insalata mista ... which we washed down with a sleek soave bianco. Very refreshing.

OK now ... let's get on with it ...

You seem to think that your boy is doing well ... so .. let's look at his record so far on this thread ---

• Says people in small countries are sub-human ... gets slapped down.
• Thinks the Star of David is a religious symbol ... gets humiliated.
• Thinks a country's success depends on "oil" and "minerals" ... another slapdown.
• Doesn't know American values are stated in the Declaration and Constitution ... another humiliation.
• Confronts Dixie ... gets b-slapped.
• Doesn't know the Israeli war is part of the global war on terror ... blatant ignorance.
• Thinks all Israelis are orthodox Jews ... at least he was 10% right.
• Quotes Pat Buchanan ... at least it wasn't David Duke.
• Doesn't know who pays income taxes ... gets slapped down again.
• Thinks terrorists are "freedom fighters" ... still another slapdown.
• Forgot we liberated France, Belgium, and China ... hits the canvas more than Frazier vs. Foreman.
• Doesn't know Iraq has a democratically elected government ... more public ignorance.
• Says oil is "expensive" then says oil is "cheap" ... more self-humiliation.

Hmmm ... if the real Bold Ruler did as well as your boy ... he'd have been gelded and shipped to Nebraska.

1) I said the countries are insignifcant, no mention of the people. They are insignificant, nothing would change if they were there or weren't there.
2) American Values are not stated in the Constitution or Declaration. You are a simple minded idiot. There is no such thing as American Values. Why were there slaves and women with no rights for almost 100 years after the constitution and declaration if the "american values" you love to throw around existed.
3) I didn't say all Jews were Ortodox Jews, I just said the religious ones run that country
4) YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT INCOME TAXES. Stop believing everything Rush tells you.
5) Terrorists can be freedom fighters. George Washington was viewed as a terrorist and fought a war similar to what many "terrorist" groups are doing now.
6) I didn't forget who we liberated. I know significantly more about world history than you ever will know.
7) I am well aware Iraq has a democratically elected government, but it is a puppet government that can't even get its own military going after years of training. In WWII the US trained its soldiers in a matter of weeks, but the Iraqi's need years.
8) Oil is more expensive than it should be because of oil traders, but it is still cheaper than it should be in a fair market. You probably don't understand how pricing of oil works, but traders determine the price, based on supply and demand, but if the Arab countries wanted to they could get a ton more for their goods. Their dictators agree to keep the price low in exchange for the US protecting them from the masses.

There are your answers. Now you answer my questions about where your loyalty is and your view on a traitor from your country. I find it odd that a "friend" of the US seems to have an awful lot of spies caught spying on their "friend" the United States.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Unfortunately, WE AMERICANS tend to look at this horror show as a sporting event. I AM the WORST OFFENDER of what I just typed.

Many, many of the Sabras have had their entire familly (like myself) go up the chimneys of Aushwitz and Treblinka. This is DEADLY SERIOUS business to them.

My 19 year old neighbor in Caearea was killed three days ago. I am on my way to the Shiva. The funeral was in the TA military cemetery on Sunday.

Great it is deadly serious to them. Let them pay for it then. No more US tax dollars for them.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Unfortunately, WE AMERICANS tend to look at this horror show as a sporting event. I AM the WORST OFFENDER of what I just typed.

Many, many of the Sabras have had their entire familly (like myself) go up the chimneys of Aushwitz and Treblinka. This is DEADLY SERIOUS business to them.

My 19 year old neighbor in Caearea was killed three days ago. I am on my way to the Shiva. The funeral was in the TA military cemetery on Sunday.

The America-haters could care less about the suffering of decent human beings.

"You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and they've made it abundantly clear ... that they're with the terrorists.

God bless you ... and everyone you love, my friend.