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brianwspencer · #**101** 04-21-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We didn't like Bush's spending either but a lack of a thousand posts on the subject doesnt equal a lack of concern. While most conservatives concede that Bush did spend far too much, compared to obama's spending it is a drop in the bucket. Obama's spending in itself is a concern but WHAT it is spent on is the really troubling issue. And while you may feel free to call me a typical conservative I dont think that I personally fit that bill as nicely as you, Joe, Smooth Operator, and company fit the typical Liberal tag. But that's what keeps things interesting.

Perhaps my assumption is wrong then. Between you guys here, 99% of bloggers, talking heads on TV -- I mean, you'd think if it was a concern, someone somewhere would have been talking about it and making a big deal out of it at some point in EIGHT YEARS. I didn't need thousands of posts or hundreds of hours of cable TV...just a little bit would have really snuffed out the charges of you guys being 'typical conservatives' about it.

The Right didn't seem too upset. Or if they were, you'd have me believe that it was the first time in history that the Right was upset about something and DIDN'T open their mouths?

Please. That's like saying you'd expect me to not complain about something that bothered me for eight years...and that you'd then take my word that it had been deeply troubling me the whole time even though I said absolutely nothing. The Right is more hysterical in reality as they claim the Left is. Just a gut feeling that if they were really upset about it, we'd have heard about it...since we hear about everything else that bothers them even a little bit.

Antitrust32 · #**102** 04-21-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Perhaps my assumption is wrong then. Between you guys here, 99% of bloggers, talking heads on TV -- I mean, you'd think if it was a concern, someone somewhere would have been talking about it and making a big deal out of it at some point in EIGHT YEARS. I didn't need thousands of posts or hundreds of hours of cable TV...just a little bit would have really snuffed out the charges of you guys being 'typical conservatives' about it.

The Right didn't seem too upset. Or if they were, you'd have me believe that it was the first time in history that the Right was upset about something and DIDN'T open their mouths?

Please. That's like saying you'd expect me to not complain about something that bothered me for eight years...and that you'd then take my word that it had been deeply troubling me the whole time even though I said absolutely nothing. The Right is more hysterical in reality as they claim the Left is. Just a gut feeling that if they were really upset about it, we'd have heard about it...since we hear about everything else that bothers them even a little bit.

It may not have been said on TV or Derby Trail... but it was said the past 8 years in the Frey family.. My Dad and uncles are as conservative as it gets. Like so bad that I cant even listen to them without getting into arguments about something. They have been so pissed... maybe not the last 8 years but at least the past 3 or 4 years about the Bush spending. It got so bad for them that my Uncle Tom... who is as crazy and as conservative as it gets (Byk can support this).. actually voted for Obama cause he was so pissed at the Bush admin.

It was out there... people just didnt have the balls to say it in public.

Cannon Shell · #**103** 04-21-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Perhaps my assumption is wrong then. Between you guys here, 99% of bloggers, talking heads on TV -- I mean, you'd think if it was a concern, someone somewhere would have been talking about it and making a big deal out of it at some point in EIGHT YEARS. I didn't need thousands of posts or hundreds of hours of cable TV...just a little bit would have really snuffed out the charges of you guys being 'typical conservatives' about it.

The Right didn't seem too upset. Or if they were, you'd have me believe that it was the first time in history that the Right was upset about something and DIDN'T open their mouths?

Please. That's like saying you'd expect me to not complain about something that bothered me for eight years...and that you'd then take my word that it had been deeply troubling me the whole time even though I said absolutely nothing. The Right is more hysterical in reality as they claim the Left is. Just a gut feeling that if they were really upset about it, we'd have heard about it...since we hear about everything else that bothers them even a little bit.

It is just viewing of the world through different lenses. The left is far more activist driven than the right. That is not really a debatable point. And lets remember that the last 8 years were not operated under an economic meltdown like the last year. People may find it annoying but as long as the economy is humming along it is really easy to overlook issues. Why Obama's spending spree has to be viewed in the context of Bush's spending seems unusual since they are two different animals under two entirely different circumstances.

brianwspencer · #**104** 04-21-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is just viewing of the world through different lenses. The left is far more activist driven than the right. That is not really a debatable point. And lets remember that the last 8 years were not operated under an economic meltdown like the last year. People may find it annoying but as long as the economy is humming along it is really easy to overlook issues. Why Obama's spending spree has to be viewed in the context of Bush's spending seems unusual since they are two different animals under two entirely different circumstances.

That's fair enough. I wasn't really looking for protests in the street...just a mere peep here and there would have been more than enough to make me actually believe that people gave a damn about it then, instead of just saying they do now to use as cover when attacking current spending.

And like I have said here tons of times before in various other threads...I'm reserving judgment on Obama's spending for the time being.

dellinger63 · #**105** 04-21-2009, 12:57 PM

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That's fair enough. I wasn't really looking for protests in the street...just a mere peep here and there would have been more than enough to make me actually believe that people gave a damn about it then, instead of just saying they do now to use as cover when attacking current spending.

And like I have said here tons of times before in various other threads...I'm reserving judgment on Obama's spending for the time being.

Over those 8 years we maintained a deficit in the area of 400 billion. In three months we've gone from 400 billion to 1,750 billion. Hope this explains the concern over this 'drunken sailor' spending.

brianwspencer · #**106** 04-21-2009, 01:00 PM

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Over those 8 years we maintained a deficit in the area of 400 billion. In three months we've gone from 400 billion to 1,750 billion. Hope this explains the concern over this 'drunken sailor' spending.

Fair enough, so it's the excess of overspending you don't like, not the principle of overspending in the first place.

You could have said that a long time ago and I would have understood, since I've always been the type that has no problem with an alcoholic having 8 beers and buckling his kid up in the backseat before driving to the store for smokes....but goddamn, it's those guys that will have 13 before they do it that really get me! Those guys, they make me incredulous!

dellinger63 · #**107** 04-21-2009, 01:25 PM

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Fair enough, so it's the excess of overspending you don't like, not the principle of overspending in the first place.

You could have said that a long time ago and I would have understood, since I've always been the type that has no problem with an alcoholic having 8 beers and buckling his kid up in the backseat before driving to the store for smokes....but goddamn, it's those guys that will have 13 before they do it that really get me! Those guys, they make me incredulous!

maybe I think a deficit of 400 bil is manageable while going to 1,750 Bil again in 3 months isn't. If you change your analogy to 4 beers vs. 17 and a half it will make perfect sense and be correct on the ratio of the numbers. But to make it truly correct those 4 beers were consumed over 8 hrs while 17 and 1/2 were drank in 15mins.

brianwspencer · #**108** 04-21-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

maybe I think a deficit of 400 bil is manageable while going to 1,750 Bil again in 3 months isn't. If you change your analogy to 4 beers vs. 17 and a half it will make perfect sense and be correct on the ratio of the numbers. But to make it truly correct those 4 beers were consumed over 8 hrs while 17 and 1/2 were drank in 15mins.

Of course my analogy is outrageous. It was meant to be. Just trying to figure out if it's just excess that bothers you, or principle.

It appears to be the former, and I'm glad we've cleared that up.

dellinger63 · #**109** 04-21-2009, 01:34 PM

It is the excess coupled with the short time the excess has come about. And Brian your analogy was again perfect once the numbers and time were put in correct ratios.

gales0678 · #**110** 04-21-2009, 01:38 PM

brian in my opinion Obama won because he was the alternate choice in the primary to the war hawk Hillary Clinton, the dems tried that startegy in'04 with John kerry and it didn't work , that and that alone got him by Hillary

Then with bush getting killed by the pols , the media , the world , moses could have run as the repbulican choice for president and it wouldn't have mattered - Obama walked like Funny Cide in the preakness after he beat Hillary in the primary

next election may not be so kind as the "bush factor' will be gone and the actual results of the past 4 yrs will be what the voters will look at , they will not listen to only the words

brianwspencer · #**111** 04-21-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

brian in my opinion Obama won because he was the alternate choice in the primary to the war hawk Hillary Clinton, the dems tried that startegy in'04 with John kerry and it didn't work , that and that alone got him by Hillary

Then with bush getting killed by the pols , the media , the world , moses could have run as the repbulican choice for president and it wouldn't have mattered - Obama walked like Funny Cide in the preakness after he beat Hillary in the primary

next election may not be so kind as the "bush factor' will be gone and the actual results of the past 4 yrs will be what the voters will look at , they will not listen to only the words

And thank goodness by then we'll have four years of information to look at, instead of three months!

I welcome that debate when the time comes.

gales0678 · #**112** 04-21-2009, 01:43 PM

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And thank goodness by then we'll have four years of information to look at, instead of three months!

I welcome that debate when the time comes.

we will have mid-term elections that will get into full swing in about another 9 months , will be interesting to see

the last dem president took a big defeat in '94 in his 1st term - will see what happens in '10

gales0678 · #**113** 04-21-2009, 01:47 PM

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And thank goodness by then we'll have four years of information to look at, instead of three months!

I welcome that debate when the time comes.

my point being was he didn't have to look anyone in the eye in the stretch , we don't know if he can pass anyone in the stretch

Antitrust32 · #**114** 04-21-2009, 01:57 PM

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my point being was he didn't have to look anyone in the eye in the stretch , we don't know if he can pass anyone in the stretch

So you are comparing Obama to Bernardini??????

gales0678 · #**115** 04-21-2009, 02:03 PM

any horse that had it easy and now will be in all out stretch

remember the ultimate outcome was easy , but he only got 52 or 53% of the vote , if things don't go as planned there will be trouble ahead

dellinger63 · #**116** 04-21-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

any horse that had it easy and now will be in all out stretch

remember the ultimate outcome was easy , but he only got 52 or 53% of the vote , if things don't go as planned there will be trouble ahead

and he's not a West Point so shouldn't get overbet LOL