Just for a change of pace

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think it's a big deal or a bad thing.

yay!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Not trying to pick on you because I respect your anti-death penalty and pro-choice views (I'm pseudo pro-choice also). BUT.

How come liberals think it is okay to kill your unborn fetus with an abortion, but if a drunk driver killed a pregnant woman... that should count as a double murder??

I don't.

Ask them.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Not trying to pick on you because I respect your anti-death penalty and pro-choice views (I'm pseudo pro-choice also). BUT.

How come liberals think it is okay to kill your unborn fetus with an abortion, but if a drunk driver killed a pregnant woman... that should count as a double murder??

That's why I won't call myself pro-abortion but pro-choice. It's the woman carrying the baby that has sole choice to end the pregnancy not the drunk driver. Where the slope gets slippery IMO is when the mother is a drunk and seemingly has made the choice to have the baby but also made the choice to drink/do drugs that either killed or damaged the baby. Not sure about what to do in that case. Murder v. Manslughter v. Child Abuse?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That's why I won't call myself pro-abortion but pro-choice. It's the woman carrying the baby that has sole choice to end the pregnancy not the drunk driver. Where the slope gets slippery IMO is when the mother is a drunk and seemingly has made the choice to have the baby but also made the choice to drink/do drugs that either killed or damaged the baby. Not sure about what to do in that case. Murder v. Manslughter v. Child Abuse?

Only anti-choice people use the term "pro-abortion."

Nobody is "pro-abortion," because it's a tough experience for a lot of people. And people who are pro-choice respect that and respect women enough to make their own reproductive decisions.

Just an FYI, because the term "pro-abortion" is a big red flag, even though I know you didn't mean it to be one here.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That's why I won't call myself pro-abortion but pro-choice. It's the woman carrying the baby that has sole choice to end the pregnancy not the drunk driver. Where the slope gets slippery IMO is when the mother is a drunk and seemingly has made the choice to have the baby but also made the choice to drink/do drugs that either killed or damaged the baby. Not sure about what to do in that case. Murder v. Manslughter v. Child Abuse?

I think that should be a murder and a child abuse charge. Women in this day of age fully know what the harm of doing drugs while pregnant are.

Here is more of my laws if I was dictator (B-dub would HATE me)

If you do any drugs/ smoke cigs / smoke pot / drink booze while pregnant you get arrested on Child Abuse and you cannot keep your baby. If the baby dies as a result it would be a murder charge also.

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

If you rape someone or molest children.. get your balls and dick chopped off.

Public hangings for convicted 1st degree murderers... I think that would be effective in keeping people from committing premedidated murder.

Gay marriage is legal & pot is legal.


I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Only anti-choice people use the term "pro-abortion."

Nobody is "pro-abortion," because it's a tough experience for a lot of people. And people who are pro-choice respect that and respect women enough to make their own reproductive decisions.

Just an FYI, because the term "pro-abortion" is a big red flag, even though I know you didn't mean it to be one here.

Some women do not deserve that respect and the docs should tie tubes after their first abortion (please note I said SOME women, not all... but like 1% of them)

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

I dont know when it's a person. I know when they grow for awhile in the womb, on the ultrasound they sure look like a person, heart beats like a person, makes faces like a person, kicks like a person, etc.

I think only 1st term abortions should be legal. This is a tough subject. I personally feel that there is no way I could have an abortion if somehow I got knocked up. Though I'm sure there are religious wacko's out there who would say I am having theoretical abortions by not sleeping with men.

With that said, there are though situations that occur everyday, to women all over the world, where an abortion may be the best answer for them. (raped, way too young, just not ready and have no money & no partner, etc.). I do not feel that I can judge those women for those hard decisions that they have to make. I am all for choice.

BUT.. I cannot respect women who abuse abortion and use it as a means of birthcontrol, because they are two lazy to use condoms, the pill, or keep their damn legs closed. I think it is disgusting and immoral and I think it should be illegal in that regard. Upping the cost for the abortions in this case would most likely lessen the problem (are the sluts gonna get prego's when they know its gonna cost them $32,000 to get an abortion??), and still be there for people who have legit reasons to have an abortion.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think that should be a murder and a child abuse charge. Women in this day of age fully know what the harm of doing drugs while pregnant are.

Here is more of my laws if I was dictator (B-dub would HATE me)

If you do any drugs/ smoke cigs / smoke pot / drink booze while pregnant you get arrested on Child Abuse and you cannot keep your baby. If the baby dies as a result it would be a murder charge also.

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

If you rape someone or molest children.. get your balls and dick chopped off.

Public hangings for convicted 1st degree murderers... I think that would be effective in keeping people from committing premedidated murder.

Gay marriage is legal & pot is legal.


I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

Of course they would. What's not to like about a moody dyke?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

Again, what's not to like about a moody dyke?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know when it's a person. I know when they grow for awhile in the womb, on the ultrasound they sure look like a person, heart beats like a person, makes faces like a person, kicks like a person, etc.

I think only 1st term abortions should be legal. This is a tough subject. I personally feel that there is no way I could have an abortion if somehow I got knocked up. Though I'm sure there are religious wacko's out there who would say I am having theoretical abortions by not sleeping with men.

With that said, there are though situations that occur everyday, to women all over the world, where an abortion may be the best answer for them. (raped, way too young, just not ready and have no money & no partner, etc.). I do not feel that I can judge those women for those hard decisions that they have to make. I am all for choice.

BUT.. I cannot respect women who abuse abortion and use it as a means of birthcontrol, because they are two lazy to use condoms, the pill, or keep their damn legs closed. I think it is disgusting and immoral and I think it should be illegal in that regard. Upping the cost for the abortions in this case would most likely lessen the problem (are the sluts gonna get prego's when they know its gonna cost them $32,000 to get an abortion??), and still be there for people who have legit reasons to have an abortion.

Fair. Completely.

Just like my anti-death penalty stance, my pro-choice stance is absolute as well. It's each woman's choice. I may not agree with all the choices a woman may make, but to me, that's what being pro-choice is...that it doesn't have to be the choice I would make in that situation or even a choice I like, but that it was HER choice.

To me, that's what being pro-choice is all about. It's not always as easy as the slogan would make it sound. While I would never ever have 19 kids or however many that family I think is absolutely CRAZY has, but I respect that it's their choice...even if I think they're crazy for doing it and even though I think it gives their kids worse lives than they could have had without living in a boot camp for a home.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Honu

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

I know so many men who would love to have a chip like that!!!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm just saying that it doesn't mean it was actually going to happen. It doesn't mean it was close to happening, and therefore any intelligence was actionable. It just means they thought about it.

Also, don't forget that we had intelligence about them planning to strike in the United States too, remember that? Just saying. Having intelligence doesn't mean we stop anything necessarily, it just means we know about some portion of the plan.

And regardless, I don't recall having ever been a really serious 'torture never works' type. Maybe I have and you'll find it for me, but I certainly don't remember ever holding a steadfast view on it. I'm obviously suspicious of it, which was the point of my post to Chuck...that I'm dubious of these claims given the source, especially if that source was busy trying to find a way to justify torturing people, you kinda get the feeling they'd have an incentive to say that it works...whether it does or not, right? That's not partisan stuff, that's simple common sense.

Nothing changes that torture is wrong in my eyes and that's the problem between me and you and Chuck and everyone, your future collection of Muslim dicks notwithstanding.

sence you have no idea how many interdictions have been stopped .how can you say what is credible and what is not.but you are a dt staff member..i think the bob fox stuff on atr is worse than waterboarding..but thats just me

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Of course they would. What's not to like about a moody dyke?

even other gay people wouldnt vote for a conservative lesbian.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That's why I won't call myself pro-abortion but pro-choice. It's the woman carrying the baby that has sole choice to end the pregnancy not the drunk driver. Where the slope gets slippery IMO is when the mother is a drunk and seemingly has made the choice to have the baby but also made the choice to drink/do drugs that either killed or damaged the baby. Not sure about what to do in that case. Murder v. Manslughter v. Child Abuse?

octo-satan..

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

Pehaps personally you think it is or may be a person but realize someone else, in this case the mother, may feel differently and respect her choice more than your own feelings/beliefs and realize that her ultimate decision has nothing to do with you.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know so many men who would love to have a chip like that!!!

I'd try and get a fake ID

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know it is you but do you really think that if terrorists were capable of using a dirty bomb against us that they wouldnt if we treated their prisoners in a better manner?

It sure doesn't help. How can I complain about the barbaric things they do in Islamic countries, and then say nothing when our government does some of the same?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Pehaps personally you think it is or may be a person but realize someone else, in this case the mother, may feel differently and respect her choice more than your own feelings/beliefs and realize that her ultimate decision has nothing to do with you.

I'm not so sure I understand this. Brian already said he repects a womans choice, no matter what her choice is, an he respects her choice even if he disagree's with her decison.