Obama wrong yet again

[Danzig]

i would imagine that obama mentioned islamism being in his family so as to illustrate that this country doesn't hate the religion, since he was elected with that in his background. i personally don't care what anyone's religion is, or lack thereof. policy shouldn't be predicated on whatever type preacher you decide to listen to, or what church you attend. if anything, i find repeated discussion of your faith to be a turn-off. i'd never vote for huckabee because of it, and couldn't stand it when bush inferred he was acting on gods behalf. asa hutchison ran for office here in arkansas because 'god told him to'. i wonder if god also told him he'd lose? i'd imagine not...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

who invented the pen?

the egyptians invented the pen-they needed something to write on the papyrus they also invented.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thank god we have finally elected an intelligent and highly educated President, who can speak on a world stage, and start to regain the respect America has lost in the world. A President with a sophisticated world view.

sort of in a cameleon-like way? Who compares Palestinians to slaves, brags about all the great Islamic accomplishments leaving out the lack of human rights especially to women. Bashing Germany for its role in WWII. Standing up for N.Korea having a 'right' to nuclear power. Sitting for a scolding by South American Dictators while concentrating on the dinner show. Yea that will give America respect but from who? Me not thinks Isreal or Germany... Maybe we can follow some of those customs from the great Islamic culture and free up some highway traffic, produce jobs for men and allow more males to attend college.

Originally Posted by Riot

The Republican party has to be willing to step back up and dampen down the extreme, ultra-conservative far-right zealot wing of the party (about 24% of registered GOP voters) - not continue to let them run the show and be the public face of the party. While chasing the other 75% of the GOP away.

The GOP courted this group heavily in order to win the past two elections, and now the GOP is left dealing with the fallout of giving them a voice. This group of GOP members sabotaged McCain's campaign and ensured his non-election just by showing up at GOP rallies and speaking.

After watching the GOP elite cowtow to Rush Limbaugh, however, earlier in the year, I'll be surprised if that happens between now and 2012. But one can always hope. I think we just have to let this part of the party literally die out. 1. The age demographics of the entire country are working against this segment of the GOP, and in favor of the Democrats, over the next 20 years.

There are plenty of young Republicans less than age 40, let them come up and be the new face of the party, drag the party into this century. Maybe the GOP can be a viable political force again in 2020.

1. Definitely.

Fiscally, there are many Republican views I find
quite sensible and even preferable.

The heavy borrowing has got me scared. (like many others)
All these commercials/infommericals popping up with the
"how you can get bailout money like a big company" crap....

So the last bolded would be nice so I could have a viable choice.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the egyptians invented the pen-they needed something to write on the papyrus they also invented.

if you want to call it a pen. What did prehistoric man use to paint caves? Their tounges? Prehistoric paintings also predate the founding of Islam by only approximately 30,000 years. The Roman empire also predates Islam and I'm pretty sure they had arches, spirals and columns.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

sort of in a cameleon-like way? Who compares Palestinians to slaves, brags about all the great Islamic accomplishments leaving out the lack of human rights especially to women. Bashing Germany for its role in WWII. Standing up for N.Korea having a 'right' to nuclear power. Sitting for a scolding by South American Dictators while concentrating on the dinner show. Yea that will give America respect but from who? Me not thinks Isreal or Germany... Maybe we can follow some of those customs from the great Islamic culture and free up some highway traffic, produce jobs for men and allow more males to attend college.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but it sure differs from what I've seen.

You do realize Obama talked specificially about woman's rights in Islam in the Cairo speech, attacking the lack thereof? Guess not.

I also missed the "Palastinian as slave" reference. And the "bashing Germany for it's role in WWII" is a pretty broad and hardly accurate reference.

Hey, you're free to hate the guy, which you obviously do. But trying to manufacture untruths to justify it is fairly transparent.

[dellinger63]

must admit I do enjoy a great Islamic concert though.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

if you want to call it a pen. What did prehistoric man use to paint caves? Their tounges? Prehistoric paintings also predate the founding of Islam by only approximately 30,000 years. The Roman empire also predates Islam and I'm pretty sure they had arches, spirals and columns.

If you had read the speech, you'd see that he didn't say they invented any of that stuff, but the culture in that region contributed heavily to the advancement of same, which it has. You certainly know that Rome had to go through Persia for trade? Persia was quite the center of the cultural crossroads.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

must admit I do enjoy a great Islamic concert though.

Cat Stevens?

I would expect Catholic Schools to present a bit
more of a Westernized version of great achievements.

Like throwing Galileo in jail...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I would expect Catholic Schools to present a bit
more of a Westernized version of great achievements.

Like throwing Galileo in jail...

I guess unless they beheaded him it is not considered a great accomlishment Islamic-wise.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you had read the speech, you'd see that he didn't say they invented any of that stuff, but the culture in that region contributed heavily to the advancement of same, which it has. You certainly know that Rome had to go through Persia for trade? Persia was quite the center of the cultural crossroads.

So for 700 to 800 years Rome had no architecture and only started building after 61 AD when the Islamic religion was founded? Lucius Stertinius was built in approximately 200BC or 261 years prior to the foundation of Islam and I'm pretty sure it features Roman arches. Not sure what Persia has to do with the argument?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

if you want to call it a pen. What did prehistoric man use to paint caves? Their tounges? Prehistoric paintings also predate the founding of Islam by only approximately 30,000 years. The Roman empire also predates Islam and I'm pretty sure they had arches, spirals and columns.

little before my time there dell. but i don't know that it qualifies as a 'pen'.

[dellinger63]

When will Obama talk of the accomplishments of Amin Al Hussein and his SS Hanzar Division? His trip to Germany seemingly would have been the perfect opportunity to recall the cooperation Germany and Islam once enjoyed?

Sometimes the truth hurts.....

[Riot]

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like Al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality." - Barack Obama

So tell me, in the above, where are the specific falsehoods?

[Riot]

Sometimes the truth hurts.....

Especially when it's photoshopped and faked.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thank god we have finally elected an intelligent and highly educated President, who can speak on a world stage, and start to regain the respect America has lost in the world. A President with a sophisticated world view.

I want to know how we get respect when our President over and over just apologizes for his county. For OUR country. Its really making me sick.

[Antitrust32]

Thought President Obama's speech on D-Day was good.. the French Presidents speech was the best one though.

Was a nice ceremony.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like Al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality." - Barack Obama



So tell me, in the above, where are the specific falsehoods?

just a start but some appetizers before I really get into the guts

Obama settled on Al-Azhar University as a co-sponsor of the event, because as he put it, “For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning.” Al-Azhar is indeed the Islamic equivalent of the Vatican curia.

And what learning emerges from Al-Azhar? For starters, there is female genital mutilation. In fairness, Islam gets something of a bad rap here; there is actually nothing in the Koran or the traditions of Muhammad to support it, and most Muslims find it abhorrent. Not Al-Azhar University, though. Gad al-Haq, the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar, adamantly endorsed the practice until his death in 1996, in defiance of the secular government of Egypt’s attempts to ban it. The current Grand Sheikh, rather than condemning the practice as barbaric, says only that it is “not a must.”

Nice Huh?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like Al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality." - Barack Obama





So tell me, in the above, where are the specific falsehoods?

Algebra? The word is Arabic, but the concepts aren’t; they were developed by Babylonians, Indians, Egyptians, and Greeks long before Muhammad. The magnetic compass? That was developed by the Chinese, not the Muslims; it was Chinese fleets who visited Arabia and Africa in the early 15th century, not vice versa. Printing? Not only did Muslims not invent the printing press, they absolutely forbade its use for nearly three centuries until 1727, and then shut down the first operating press after a few years because the ideas it was pumping out threatened the supremacy of the God experts. Printing in the Muslim world did not resume until 1783, by which point the West had Newton’s laws of physics, the steam engine, joint stock companies, etc. Understanding how disease spreads? As late as the 19th century, a Sufi brotherhood in Morocco attacked the authorities for ordering the evacuation of towns in an attempt to curb the spread of a plague, because the spread of disease should be left to the decision of God.

That good enough? Just because the Obama says so doesn't make it true!!!