conflict of interest

[Honu]

This whole thread is somewhat akin to old ladies sitting around the nursing home with nothing else to talk about but how the interns are in kahoots against them , lol. To read back from post one until now is pretty funny.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

This whole thread is somewhat akin to old ladies sitting around the nursing home with nothing else to talk about but how the interns are in kahoots against them , lol. To read back from post one until now is pretty funny.

At least elevate it to the "ODD COUPLE" series, or something like that. The grinding up of a dead body is pretty gangster.

[letswastemoney]

Horse racing news must be really slow for this to be that important

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Horse racing news must be really slow for this to be that important

Thank you.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Honu

I was about 12 in front at the 1/16th pole and there wasnt enough people in the grandstand to start a fight so I could hear the announcer loud and clear.

WOuld this be considered reboarding...

[King Glorious]

I didn't have the time or patience to read through the whole thread to see if anyone's posted this so excuse me if it's already been said. The obvious answer to the question of is it a conflict of interest is yes. Anyone that denies that is, well, stupid. If you can read and understand the definition of the word, there can be no debating this fact. The answer to the question of is it a big deal is the real debate. To me, it's not. There are many, many conflicts of interests at the track. Hell, you can have one trainer with two or three different horses in a race for different owners. Owners can bet against their own horses (Pete Rose is banned from baseball for betting against his team but an owner can bet against his horse ). If you want to voice your opinion on whether it's a big deal that warrants this type of discussion, feel free. Argue til you fingers fall off. But don't be so stupid to argue that it's not a conflict of interest because it is.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I didn't have the time or patience to read through the whole thread to see if anyone's posted this so excuse me if it's already been said. The obvious answer to the question of is it a conflict of interest is yes. Anyone that denies that is, well, stupid. If you can read and understand the definition of the word, there can be no debating this fact. The answer to the question of is it a big deal is the real debate. To me, it's not. There are many, many conflicts of interests at the track. Hell, you can have one trainer with two or three different horses in a race for different owners. Owners can bet against their own horses (Pete Rose is banned from baseball for betting against his team but an owner can bet against his horse ). If you want to voice your opinion on whether it's a big deal that warrants this type of discussion, feel free. Argue til you fingers fall off. But don't be so stupid to argue that it's not a conflict of interest because it is.

Actually an owner CANNOT bet against his or her own horse. If they do and the stewards are made aware they are subject to serious sanctions.

Can't even use your horse and another in a pick six race. MUST single.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Actually an owner CANNOT bet against his or her own horse. If they do and the stewards are made aware they are subject to serious sanctions.

Can't even use your horse and another in a pick six race. MUST single.

Thats funny....they could run just about every owner out game then.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Actually an owner CANNOT bet against his or her own horse. If they do and the stewards are made aware they are subject to serious sanctions.

Can't even use your horse and another in a pick six race. MUST single.

Well, technically, that may be the rule. But we all know that there are many ways of getting around the rule and nobody really cares because we know it's going on. The main point is still that there are many things that can constitute a conflict of interest and they just aren't that big of a deal. Just acknowledge that it is and move on if it's not serious. It's like an earthquake. One can measure 2.0 and one can measure 7.0 They are both earthquakes. To deny that would be stupid. But they don't have the same impact.

[jrajf]

I don't know if the jockeys can hear the race call or not but couldnt he provide helpful information regarding splits or other competitors on the move and where they are on the track?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by jrajf

I don't know if the jockeys can hear the race call or not but couldnt he provide helpful information regarding splits or other competitors on the move and where they are on the track?

They can hear. Riders have told me about how they would hear Trevor announcing a horse making a move from behind them. That's when the track would have lots of people. With the couple of hundred or thousand they have now, I'm sure they can hear the race call. How much that influences their decisions is something else. Now this is where I could see there being a problem.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Jeez Chuck......you seem like a sharp guy. Figured you would have gotten it. It's not about Vic magically making his guy's horse win by calling the horse as others on here seem to believe. Nor is it about him getting his guy better mounts. It's about race fans having to listen to a race caller/jock agent who at times is biased calling his guy's horse. Not sure why all of the confusion.

Since when are announcers supposed to be free of "bias"? Ever hear Marshall Cassidy call an Easy Goer race? Or really any announcer call a race in which a "big star" is involved with? Exactly what effect on anything does a "biased" racecall have on anything? If you bet on the winner will you not still cash? Are you forced to listen? Luke K was a close friend of mine who always added a little emphasis when I had a winner or when my horses were making a move in a race. Who exactly does it hurt?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, since there are other conflicts of interest in the game, this one therefore isn't one? And, as to your final question, why is that relevent?

No. I dont see the relevance of the conflict of interest here. I used the fact that there are far greater actual conflicts of interests in the sport that no one complains about. It is relevant because it is relevant.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

after spending much time reading this thread my only question is what does a 135 beyer equal in thorograph language? Provided perfect trip.

-10.75

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

this thread hurtz my brain...rock on vic good for you..hope you and joel do well. toga?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when are announcers supposed to be free of "bias"? Ever hear Marshall Cassidy call an Easy Goer race? Or really any announcer call a race in which a "big star" is involved with? Exactly what effect on anything does a "biased" racecall have on anything? If you bet on the winner will you not still cash? Are you forced to listen? Luke K was a close friend of mine who always added a little emphasis when I had a winner or when my horses were making a move in a race. Who exactly does it hurt?

It's annoying an unprofessional when a guy who represents a jockey does this kind of thing. It's one thing to do it during a race with Easy Goer....Zenyatta...or a "big star " involved. But to pander to a claimer being ridden by his guy is a bit much.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

durkin has had some biased calls imo..vics earthquake call gives him a mulligan

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

durkin has had some biased calls imo..vics earthquake call gives him a mulligan

Short of eliminating race callers and going strictly to trakus you are always going to have some bias in calls. Race callers are human.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Thats funny....they could run just about every owner out game then.

As a player of the game, I would have a big problem if an owner or trainer bet on any horse that wasn't his own. If it is allowed then that type of information should be made aware to the public 100% of the time.

[DerbyCat]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

It's annoying an unprofessional when a guy who represents a jockey does this kind of thing. It's one thing to do it during a race with Easy Goer....Zenyatta...or a "big star " involved. But to pander to a claimer being ridden by his guy is a bit much.

You keep bringing up this point but your only justification for it is pointing out one race where many folks on this board didn't hear any bias at all. Until you can present additional evidence of this "bias" by giving several more examples (i.e.: specific races where the bias is pronounced) you appear to be the only one with a real bias and that is a bias against Vic Stauffer - neither bias is relevant to improving the knowledge of the horse racing fans on this site.