Vic Had A Stroke?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Congratulations to Vic and Joel on winning the jockey's title at Hollywood Park. That is quite an accomplishment. Rafael Bejarano had won 6 consecutive riding titles until being dethrone by Joel at this meet.

Great job by both Joel and Vic! I give Vic alot of credit. I highly doubt Joel would have been leading rider if he didn't have Vic. Joel was doing fine with Vince, but he has reached a new level with Vic. Keep up the great work Vic!

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by freddymo

It's been a pleasure listening to your calls.. Always will remember the earthquake call as my sister lives in LA. and I phoned her up immediately.. She was surprised I new that they were in the middle of a quake.. The Cesario race is also a fond memory..

If you are smart you will pack your bags immediately after Delmar and head to NY. Unfortunately California racing is in turmoil and the folks who head east and plant roots first will be there before the sun sets on Ca.

Your sister said it was a wrong number.... no matter.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Rosario just won the Hollywood Park jock's title by 10 races. Rosario won 79 races at Hollywood Park this meet. That's more than any other jock has won at the HP Spring/Summer meet in 6 years. Not only that, he's on pace to eclipse $12 million in purses this year. He's the 6th leading rider in the nation in purses won.

I think it's probably a good idea for Joel and Vic to stay here in Southern California. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yep when all the trainers he rode all those winners for move he can rule the fair circuit.. Have you looked at the state of Cal. racing? Have you looked at the fields? I mean seriously Delmar's opening day card is like a kyiosk not a boutique.

No knock on Vic or Joel.. They are swimming upstream.. The horses are moving east with their trainers and owners. You will always be able to find a good live mount in Ca. just not at the race track.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Freddy. For a smart guy that could be the worst idea I've ever heard. I'd rather flip burgers and live in So. Cal than be a millionaire anywhere else. No way no chance. If the sun sets it's setting right on top of me, my family and my jock.

Good luck to you. He is a fine jock and I am sure will always be one of the 4 or 5 guys who gets a mount. Always hear and read how people are OK flippin burgers. I wonder if they sincerely mean it. Lot's of sunny days everywhere. Days always seem the brightest at the racetrack. Too bad the sun set on HP and Bay Meadows.. Other then Shug shipping Plodders who handle poly to Ca. who in there right mind ships a horse into Ca. No dirt horse will ever come into town and Ca. already suffers from isolation. I hope it changes for all but being first to come is always better then being last to leave.. BTW save burger flipping it really is overrated especial at min wage.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Other then Shug shipping Plodders who handle poly to Ca. who in there right mind ships a horse into Ca. No dirt horse will ever come into town and Ca. .

Why do they have to be dirt horses? I would be happy to ride Gio Ponti like Gomez did at Santa Anita all winter on the main track, money is money.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Why do they have to be dirt horses? I would be happy to ride Gio Ponti like Gomez did at Santa Anita all winter on the main track, money is money.

Gomez rode Gio ponti twice and finished fifth in one of those. All he won was the Sir Beaufort.

NT

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Good luck to you. He is a fine jock and I am sure will always be one of the 4 or 5 guys who gets a mount. Always hear and read how people are OK flippin burgers. I wonder if they sincerely mean it. Lot's of sunny days everywhere. Days always seem the brightest at the racetrack. Too bad the sun set on HP and Bay Meadows.. Other then Shug shipping Plodders who handle poly to Ca. who in there right mind ships a horse into Ca. No dirt horse will ever come into town and Ca. already suffers from isolation. I hope it changes for all but being first to come is always better then being last to leave.. BTW save burger flipping it really is overrated especial at min wage.

Sage advice.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Why do they have to be dirt horses? I would be happy to ride Gio Ponti like Gomez did at Santa Anita all winter on the main track, money is money.

The point is nobody ships to poly/cushion.. Who is shipping an allowance type or higher priced grass claimer to CA? If you own a horse east of Montana its easier to go to La. or Fl. for grass in the winter. Ca is in trouble and the clouds are thicker by the minute. Unless some little girl clicks her heels soon this cyclone is about to wipe out a big piece of racing. Believe me its very sad. I think its a travesty and hope things change although this rush to polytrack really worked against the sport..

For the record I was in favor of poly because I was convinced it was in the best (health) interest of horses. I thought healthier horses bigger fields more betting etc... I was SO wrong!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The point is nobody ships to poly/cushion.. Who is shipping an allowance type or higher priced grass claimer to CA? If you own a horse east of Montana its easier to go to La. or Fl. for grass in the winter. Ca is in trouble and the clouds are thicker by the minute. Unless some little girl clicks her heels soon this cyclone is about to wipe out a big piece of racing. Believe me its very sad. I think its a travesty and hope things change although this rush to polytrack really worked against the sport..

For the record I was in favor of poly because I was convinced it was in the best (health) interest of horses. I thought healthier horses bigger fields more betting etc... I was SO wrong!

I had an open mind to the change, the constant string of early speed wins was also getting to me, that being said it was a ill conceived decision.

Its still alot of money, what a million bucks some turf horse could ship in for in the pacific classic, is a million bucks enough to ship a good turf horse to beat dirt horses running on the wrong surface? If I owned one it would be.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I had an open mind to the change, the constant string of early speed wins was also getting to me, that being said it was a ill conceived decision.

Its still alot of money, what a million bucks some turf horse could ship in for in the pacific classic, is a million bucks enough to ship a good turf horse to beat dirt horses running on the wrong surface? If I owned one it would be.

It's not about filling the Santa Anita Derby..It's about filling the 40k claiming event on a wednesday in Feb for 36k purse so the industry can sustain itself.
It's about Baffert leaving to NY or Mitchell leaving to Chicago. It started with Lobo, who is next?

[LARHAGE]

Huh, Lobo left? Who knew, at any rate Baffert may ship horses east to run, but he himself ain't moving to New York, trust me on that.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

It's not about filling the Santa Anita Derby..It's about filling the 40k claiming event on a wednesday in Feb for 36k purse so the industry can sustain itself.
It's about Baffert leaving to NY or Mitchell leaving to Chicago. It started with Lobo, who is next?

Baffert, when did he leave? He has run horses at Saratoga and ny for a decade, thats a very weak argument. Mitchell, last I checked he was right near the tops for wins, he left, who knew.

The trainers aint leaving, the owners are not sending their horses away, some are relocating themselves, some are not buying horses and bringing them in the first place.

Lobo leaving, thats funny. Many of his owners are not even local to socal.

I explained this to you last night, the 40k level horse, those owners have gotten swallowed up in the economy in california, it has zip to do with the surface.

Of course Freddy the discussion was about horses shipping in, then you change it to that does not fill a 40k race. Thats an apples and oranges discussion and you very well know it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Baffert, when did he leave? He has run horses at Saratoga and ny for a decade, thats a very weak argument. Mitchell, last I checked he was right near the tops for wins, he left, who knew.

The trainers aint leaving, the owners are not sending their horses away, some are relocating themselves, some are not buying horses and bringing them in the first place.

Lobo leaving, thats funny. Many of his owners are not even local to socal.

I explained this to you last night, the 40k level horse, those owners have gotten swallowed up in the economy in california, it has zip to do with the surface.

Of course Freddy the discussion was about horses shipping in, then you change it to that does not fill a 40k race. Thats an apples and oranges discussion and you very well know it.

I wasn't suggesting that those guys had left but I was suggesting that the environment is fertile for such exodus.

My point on shippers is that its hard to fill races when nobody comes to your track aside from what is stabled there and in decline.. When you are in NY you draw from horses that can ship in from 300 mile radius..

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Freddy. For a smart guy that could be the worst idea I've ever heard. I'd rather flip burgers and live in So. Cal than be a millionaire anywhere else. No way no chance. If the sun sets it's setting right on top of me, my family and my jock.

First, really glad your setback was so minor. You certainly sound at full strength in this thread.

I've never really understood the I-wouldn't-live-anywhere-else mentality of some Californians. Doesn't smog, traffic, and crime count for anything? I spent 6 years in San Diego and 2 in Los Angeles, all of it near the ocean, so I'm not talking blindly here. But I've found equal satisfaction and beauty elsewhere and have zero desire to return to Calif.

I think some So. Californians build up this horror of cold weather to monumental heights. There are pleasures and tradeoffs with almost every locale. I'm curious where else you've lived, Vic.

--Dunbar

[the_fat_man]

Why are we all obsessed with the fall of CALI racing? How about the fall of racing in Kentucky or NY? Anyone take a look at some of the cards at BEL this meet? Especially someone who remembers what it was like 10 or 20 year ago.

If I were Stauffer and Rosario and I decided to move tack, it wouldn't be to NY.

I'd head on up to Woobine, which, presently, has the best racing in the country. POLY and TURF up the wazoo, LARGE fields AND LARGE PURSES. And, just about the most pathetic group of jocks, top to bottom, you'd find anywhere. In fact, you'd be hardpressed to find a worst colony at some of the bush tracks. Head up there for the summer; win a ton of races; make a ton of money.

If CALI racing dies, then Kentucky and NY racing is right behind it.

From Cali to Woodbine. And then when Woodbine goes south...THISTLEYDOWNS!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I wasn't suggesting that those guys had left but I was suggesting that the environment is fertile for such exodus.

My point on shippers is that its hard to fill races when nobody comes to your track aside from what is stabled there and in decline.. When you are in NY you draw from horses that can ship in from 300 mile radius..

dont disagree with that at all

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why are we all obsessed with the fall of CALI racing? How about the fall of racing in Kentucky or NY? Anyone take a look at some of the cards at BEL this meet? Especially someone who remembers what it was like 10 or 20 year ago.

If I were Stauffer and Rosario and I decided to move tack, it wouldn't be to NY.

I'd head on up to Woobine, which, presently, has the best racing in the country. POLY and TURF up the wazoo, LARGE fields AND LARGE PURSES. And, just about the most pathetic group of jocks, top to bottom, you'd find anywhere. In fact, you'd be hardpressed to find a worst colony at some of the bush tracks. Head up there for the summer; win a ton of races; make a ton of money.

If CALI racing dies, then Kentucky and NY racing is right behind it.

....couldnt agree anymore.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why are we all obsessed with the fall of CALI racing? How about the fall of racing in Kentucky or NY? Anyone take a look at some of the cards at BEL this meet? Especially someone who remembers what it was like 10 or 20 year ago.

If I were Stauffer and Rosario and I decided to move tack, it wouldn't be to NY.

I'd head on up to Woobine, which, presently, has the best racing in the country. POLY and TURF up the wazoo, LARGE fields AND LARGE PURSES. And, just about the most pathetic group of jocks, top to bottom, you'd find anywhere. In fact, you'd be hardpressed to find a worst colony at some of the bush tracks. Head up there for the summer; win a ton of races; make a ton of money.

If CALI racing dies, then Kentucky and NY racing is right behind it.

NY is operating well without slots. The fields are OK and there is a reasonable amount of stock around. Woodbine is 3 years away from people getting wiped out and slot dollars either running out or state governments will grab the money to deal with economic issues. If you think WB looks like the mecca of racing in 09 fine but have a little forsight NY will always be the best circuit to race (save the winter)

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

NY is operating well without slots. The fields are OK and there is a reasonable amount of stock around. Woodbine is 3 years away from people getting wiped out and slot dollars either running out or state governments will grab the money to deal with economic issues. If you think WB looks like the mecca of racing in 09 fine but have a little forsight NY will always be the best circuit to race (save the winter)

winter = November - April....whats a half of year amongst friends