Keeneland Sale: 'Hip Watch' and running observations..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Hip 325 RNA at 775k is someone who had no interest in selling. I figured that would be a filly that would be a must have..775k RNA in this market..she must look terrific.

Its a RNA, you have no idea if there was any live bids.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Last year that horse wouldn't have been in book 1 regardless how wonderful she looked. Dixie friggin Union 36 months ago his top seller was what 150k MAYBE.. Serious question...If Dixie Union hadn't had the vey recent success what is the real fig that horse sells for 200k TOPS right.. JustWhistleDixie made someone 300k.. Look imagine if you had a Birdstone..12 months ago you are looking at 75k for a his best now 400k?? You need a FuPeg? "They are on the discount rack like another can of beans" -B Joel

There were 4 DU filllies in book 1 last year. Recent sucess has pretty much nothing to do with it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

He doesn't bid on Coolemore period. No regulars are in the market..Respectfully the fact that you guys are even bidding on book 1 stock is terrific yet somewhat strange. I, with 4 other guys bid on a Gone West filly 4 years ago in Book 2 first day. We thought she would bring 200 to 250 we went to 325.. Jess bought her for 900 lol..Book 2 900 lol..Filly never ran a step!!

Actually Freddy all the regulars are in the market. There are very few new players.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually Freddy all the regulars are in the market. There are very few new players.

I didn't suggest there was any new buyers just way fewer "regular" day 1 players.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Moss's were there yesterday. Baffert all around today. Romans' was looking at several.

Maybe they are waiting for the peds to change in the next books - it is kinda heavy with AP Indy, Giant's Causeway, Distorted Humor, Bernardini, Storm Cat, Unbridled's Song, etc.

A good number of Baffert clients are there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I didn't suggest there was any new buyers just way fewer "regular" day 1 players.

Who is missing?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There were 4 DU filllies in book 1 last year. Recent sucess has pretty much nothing to do with it.

Ok so Gone Astray and Just whistle had zero to do with it. Chuck Dixie Union has had the mighty Grasshopper, Dixie Chatter and High Friggin Cotton.. Now in the last week he has a 100 plus BSF filly and a 1mil g2 104 BSF winning. Not to mention he has had a heck of a shot at Lanes End. You want to sell me on how hot a stallion prospect he was until last week now? He is lucky he isn't in Florida.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who is missing?

Kelly, Padua, Moores, Melynck, Starlight, Evans, Skirura, Moss. Wygod Lael, Jone, Zayat, Dogwood, Tafel, Cox Southern MyMeadowview you need more? Up to you?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Ok so Gone Astray and Just whistle had zero to do with it. Chuck Dixie Union has had the mighty Grasshopper, Dixie Chatter and High Friggin Cotton.. Now in the last week he has a 100 plus BSF filly and a 1mil g2 104 BSF winning. Not to mention he has had a heck of a shot at Lanes End. You want to sell me on how hot a stallion prospect he was until last week now? He is lucky he isn't in Florida.

You really dont have any idea how this sales thing works do you?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Kelly, Padua, Moores, Melynck, Starlight, Evans, Skirura, Moss. Wygod Lael, Jone, Zayat, Dogwood, Tafel, Cox Southern MyMeadowview you need more? Up to you?

Who is Kelly?
Padua is there, selling. The Moores are there, Starlight has bought a few, Evans is a seller, Sikura is a seller, Moss is a seller, Lael has bought a few, Jones is a seller, Zayat is there (maybe saving his money to buy broodmares for his new stallions), Dogwood is not a big book 1 outfit, Tafel is a big book 1 buyer? Who is Cox, Southern Equine has well known money issues,

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You really dont have any idea how this sales thing works do you?

You can find 10 other horses as wonderful as the Dixie Union that went for 500k. I know way more about selling then you. I know that when something is recently successful that people try to copy it. If you don't think that last weekends results didn't substantially impact the bidding on anything Dixie Union then you seriously have no idea about human nature.

The dynamics of rigged sales is something that I recognize. You can't rig a Cappucino for 400k because it looks amazing. You can after 2 run off the screen the weekend before a sale. Chuck 2 Dixie Union's ran the two best races that a Dixie Union offspring had ever run within the last 14 days.. Ok so maybe Grasshoppers Travers was in that ilk but other then those 3 races and a few nice runs from Chatter and High Cotton. Dixie Union hasn't exactly been a must have.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who is Kelly?
Padua is there, selling. The Moores are there, Starlight has bought a few, Evans is a seller, Sikura is a seller, Moss is a seller, Lael has bought a few, Jones is a seller, Zayat is there (maybe saving his money to buy broodmares for his new stallions), Dogwood is not a big book 1 outfit, Tafel is a big book 1 buyer? Who is Cox, Southern Equine has well known money issues,

Tell you what grab the 06 07 results then get back to me with some
thoughts.. Evans, Sikura, Zayat, Dogwood, Jones. Jon and Sarah(since you were confused) Tafel(what did he spend like 3 mil between 05-07), Wygod, Moss's and Lewis's(how much did bob dying hurt?) not too much the lack of european support.

So now you are reporting that Padua, Sikura, Moss are sellers well in the past they had been buyers as well. When you rep Southern has money issues do you think it helps your post that the regs are present and accounted for???LOL you are making my point not yours.. I get it.. Fewer buyers fewer regulars less interest.. You see Keller going for the odd 1mil colt? lol

Nobody is saving money...Nobody is spending money even at depressed prices..Mo isn't doing anything different he just has zero competition now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You can find 10 other horses as wonderful as the Dixie Union that went for 500k. I know way more about selling then you. I know that when something is recently successful that people try to copy it. If you don't think that last weekends results didn't substantially impact the bidding on anything Dixie Union then you seriously have no idea about human nature.

The dynamics of rigged sales is something that I recognize. You can't rig a Cappucino for 400k because it looks amazing. You can after 2 run off the screen the weekend before a sale. Chuck 2 Dixie Union's ran the two best races that a Dixie Union offspring had ever run within the last 14 days.. Ok so maybe Grasshoppers Travers was in that ilk but other then those 3 races and a few nice runs from Chatter and High Cotton. Dixie Union hasn't exactly been a must have.

1st of all, these horses are entered in this sale long ago. She was probably accepted for this part of the sale months ago. Her pedigree was easily of book one quality despite your issues with Dixie Union as a stallion. While Hotdixiechick's races and status are a positive, this particular filly was close to flawless as an individual, which is why she went for 500k. I can guarantee you Hermitage wasnt the underbidder.

As for your knowledge of selling I can only go by what you say. but your grasp of the sales is, well, limited at best.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who is Kelly?
Padua is there, selling. The Moores are there, Starlight has bought a few, Evans is a seller, Sikura is a seller, Moss is a seller, Lael has bought a few, Jones is a seller, Zayat is there (maybe saving his money to buy broodmares for his new stallions), Dogwood is not a big book 1 outfit, Tafel is a big book 1 buyer? Who is Cox, Southern Equine has well known money issues,

When you see Mr Hughes tell him I hope all is well..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all, these horses are entered in this sale long ago. She was probably accepted for this part of the sale months ago. Her pedigree was easily of book one quality despite your issues with Dixie Union as a stallion. While Hotdixiechick's races and status are a positive, this particular filly was close to flawless as an individual, which is why she went for 500k. I can guarantee you Hermitage wasnt the underbidder.

As for your knowledge of selling I can only go by what you say. but your grasp of the sales is, well, limited at best.

Terrific she was a smoking hot Dixie Union alert the friggin media..When was the last Dixie Union to run a 100plus BSF or win a graded 3 never mind grade 1race. Answer this question if Mr. Farish asks for a Dixie Union or two to get in Book 1 you think he has enough juice to slip one in?

Without Just whistle and to a seller extent Gone Astray winning huge there is zero chance that filly sells for close to that fig. And why would Mo be so excited to get a "Flawless"(in 4 months she will look completely different anyway) filly for 500k when Dixie Union had thrown 5 years of frogs?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Terrific she was a smoking hot Dixie Union alert the friggin media..When was the last Dixie Union to run a 100plus BSF or win a graded 3 never mind grade 1race. Answer this question if Mr. Farish asks for a Dixie Union or two to get in Book 1 you think he has enough juice to slip one in?

Without Just whistle and to a seller extent Gone Astray winning huge there is zero chance that filly sells for close to that fig. And why would Mo be so excited to get a "Flawless"(in 4 months she will look completely different anyway) filly for 500k when Dixie Union had thrown 5 years of frogs?

Why do I bother...

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do I bother...

See why I gave up a few pages ago?

[Linny]

The DU filly was accepted into Book 1 back in June. Granted JustWhistle was probably better regarded then than now, but she the people that assessed her clearly were correct. Yes, they were aided by HotDixie/Bold Union/Gone Astray are running huge in the last few weeks but in the end, they were right to put her in book one.
I hope the decsion to put her in book 1 was made by the same guy that put that $5k GC colt in book 1. They might offset and he might save his job.

As for who's buying, it's the usual book 1 people. Sure some folks that usually buy a notch down (the $75-200k crowd) could have stepped in and bought from book 1, but people at that level may be opting for the conservative route and looking for the "same type" horse hoping that it will now be available for only $30-125,000 or they may have looked at book 1 and assumed prices would be higher, and just not looked that closely into the horses.

At the high end, I guess some people would rather either race or train up to a 2yo sale than take a big loss. These yearlings were conceived in early '07 and the stud deals made as far back as late 2006, so you are looking at the products of some very high stud fees. Stud fees declined in 2008 and dropped sharply in '09, but those with yearlings this year are the ones taking the biggest hit.

[brockguy]

if someone has any cash lying around the place, could they purchase 667 (only $180,000) or 842 for me. Thanks!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brockguy

if someone has any cash lying around the place, could they purchase 667 or 842 for me. Thanks!

Get a job and buy it your damn self. Damn illegals aliens always mooching off us hard working Americans.