unions killing jobs...

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know really that unions do much in a dangerous setting. with osha regs, state safety regs, the union doesn't provide much in that regard.

The unions were greatly contributory or responsible for those regulations being formulated.

You're right, the unions have done alot for workers in this country over the years, the worker is well-protected, so the purpose of a union has decreased markedly in todays world.

Except that there is an overt renewal of attack on workplace regulations starting up now, under the guise of "job creation need". So the unions better stick around.

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Originally Posted by Riot

The unions were greatly contributory or responsible for those regulations being formulated.

You're right, the unions have done alot for workers in this country over the years, the worker is well-protected, so the purpose of a union has decreased markedly in todays world.

Except that there is an overt renewal of attack on workplace regulations starting up now, under the guise of "job creation need". So the unions better stick around.

Where do you get this stuff?

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Originally Posted by Danzig

that is true. which is why so many think that unions are so great now, because they served great purposes then.

People have the right to unionize. That's the point. That right is being attacked by demonizing the unions in the name of deficits.

This is an anti-union fight, because removing the last vestiges of unions, removes a great force standing in front of massive deregulation and removal of established worker rights. And that is what the biggest corporate donors want. They don't care about unions - they just want to demonize those evil teachers, firefighters and policemen so the public will support them in taking unions out.

There is a method to this madness on the part of the GOP. They even handed out "how to" sheets and ALEC hands out model laws for the Republican governors to pass.

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Originally Posted by jms62

As opposed to big business who believe in a scoched earth policy vis a vis the US Economy and the jobs that fuel that economy when they ship jobs overseas to meet their short term goals of their Execs so their stock options are in the money and they can cash out now without any thought to the destruction they are wreaking on future generations. Lets give em a pass because by golly they need to be competitive in this Global Economy.

Wall Street used to make money on supporting growing businesses, identifying promising new companies as a moneymaking opportunity. The individual with a retirement account could join in this.

Now, Wall Street could care less about if a company survives, they just want to be on the right position side of the growth or crash. Nobody cares what happens to the investors little funds and retirement.

"So sorry, 1/3 of your retirement accounts are gone. Too bad! That's risk for you!"

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Originally Posted by Riot

Wall Street used to make money on supporting growing businesses, identifying promising new companies as a moneymaking opportunity. The individual with a retirement account could join in this.

Now, Wall Street could care less about if a company survives, they just want to be on the right position side of the growth or crash. Nobody cares what happens to the investors little funds and retirement.

"So sorry, 1/3 of your retirement accounts are gone. Too bad! That's risk for you!"

Better than all of it like SS. Oh wait that one will be fine...

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Demand is up, population is up, prices are up (the $ is worth crap). Record profits is a bunch of crap. 10% is no record, nobody is making more than that, the $ numbers are higher for all the reasons stated above. Records profits is something they are force feeding people to make businesses look bad. Aside from GE of course who live safely under the Obrella while the poop falls on those all around them. All the others pay.

Demand for what is up?

What has been the rate of inflation for the past five years?

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Originally Posted by Riot

Demand for what is up?

What has been the rate of inflation for the past five years?

Demand for gas. Whenever anyone mentions "record profits" they are talking Exxon. Higher revenue = higher profit $ at the same or even lower % of revenue.
It is just basic math, which is a handicap of our government. That is the reason for the most complex tax code imaginable. Glad your rates are down though, you must have many loopholes available.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Where do you get this stuff?

It's something that those of us who pay attention to what happens in state houses and on capital hill are aware of.

Try it some time.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Better than all of it like SS. Oh wait that one will be fine...

How's that kool aid tasting to you?

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Originally Posted by Riot

It's something that those of us who pay attention to what happens in state houses and on capital hill are aware of.

Try it some time.

State Houses and Capitol Hill are attack workplace regulations OVERTLY!? There must be many examples then...

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Originally Posted by Riot

How's that kool aid tasting to you?

You keep serving up that 2037 solvent drink mixer...

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Demand for gas.

Do you mean oil?

Glad your rates are down though, you must have many loopholes available.

I plan and have an excellent accountant.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

State Houses and Capitol Hill are attack workplace regulations OVERTLY!? There must be many examples then...

Yes: try looking.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Yes: try looking.

My employees are very happy, I will not be doing your debate homework for you.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You keep serving up that 2037 solvent drink mixer...

You could provide the financials that shows how wrong that is ...

... oh, wait. CBO just came out with something new on that this week.

Tell us, what did that say?

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Originally Posted by Riot

Do you mean oil?



I plan and have an excellent accountant.

Yes oil, that's where gas comes from.

An excellent accountant is a fantastic way to get out of "paying your share" or "contributing to the greater good." Good for you, you selfish business owning evil LLC or S Corp.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

My employees are very happy, I will not be doing your debate homework for you.

That would be your homework. Keep up here

Got that rate of inflation you claim is so high yet? What is that rate?

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Yes oil, that's where gas comes from.

An excellent accountant is a fantastic way to get out of "paying your share" or "contributing to the greater good." Good for you, you selfish business owning evil LLC or S Corp.

I pay exactly what the tax laws say I should, always. Thanks

The gratuitous rude ad hominem kind of shows you to be a d-ckhe-d, though.

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Originally Posted by Riot

You could provide the financials that shows how wrong that is ...

... oh, wait. CBO just came out with something new on that this week.

Tell us, what did that say?

Source: Congressional Budget Office.
Note: The dark lines indicate CBO’s projections of expected outcomes. In those projections, annual Social Security outlays exceed revenues
starting in 2019, and scheduled benefits cannot be paid beginning in 2053. Shaded areas indicate the 80 percent range of uncertainty
around each projection. (In other words, there is a 10 percent chance that actual values will be above that range, a 10 percent chance
that they will be below it, and an 80 percent chance that they will fall within the range. Those uncertainty ranges are based on a distribution
of 500 simulations from CBO’s long-term model.)


That paper? Did you read the WHOLE thing or just what suits you?

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Source: Congressional Budget Office.
Note: The dark lines indicate CBO’s projections of expected outcomes. In those projections, annual Social Security outlays exceed revenues
starting in 2019, and scheduled benefits cannot be paid beginning in 2053. Shaded areas indicate the 80 percent range of uncertainty
around each projection. (In other words, there is a 10 percent chance that actual values will be above that range, a 10 percent chance
that they will be below it, and an 80 percent chance that they will fall within the range. Those uncertainty ranges are based on a distribution
of 500 simulations from CBO’s long-term model.)


That paper? Did you read the WHOLE thing or just what suits you?

I not only read the whole thing, but I can compare that to the current situation, and I know the difference.

Do you?

Can you relate what the above actually means? I'll make it easy for you: is it better, worse, or the same as what was predicted last year?