Songbird

[tanner12oz]

When these fillies go off they stay off....she ain't firing on all cylinders like,she was. I'd be nervous playing her into the fall.

[RHT2004]

Probably wont see her again. Kudos to Maggie for putting some perspective on that performance. Oh and I respect Stabile but IMO he's embarrassing himself with this best since Ruffian talk. Royal Delta IMO was much better then Songbird.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Probably wont see her again. Kudos to Maggie for putting some perspective on that performance. Oh and I respect Stabile but IMO he's embarrassing himself with this best since Ruffian talk. Royal Delta IMO was much better then Songbird.

Have to agree that the Big A is totally out of sorts. Sweet guy has improved on air but geez man have a cocktail watch some of the other great fillies on you tube and move on. Extremely happy for Mr Porter but Round Pond would have beat Songbird today and that is not a glowing endorsement

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

I don't like the way she was walking after the race

The final quarter in 26.2 gutted her after loping on an uncontested lead with slugs behind her. Great career but lets be honest she was as dressed up as any Champion ever to run. She ran 1 outstanding race in her career, that would measure up in part to her ridiculous rep and it was in defeat (so what)

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The final quarter in 26.2 gutted her after loping on an uncontested lead with slugs behind her. Great career but lets be honest she was as dressed up as any Champion ever to run. She ran 1 outstanding race in her career, that would measure up in part to her ridiculous rep and it was in defeat (so what)

She drowned everyone for two years. What are you talking about freddy ? How many grade I races do you have to win ? All those fillies she thrashed showed promise.....then she came along and dashed their dreams. Try reading her pps and maybe watch a replay or 3.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

She drowned everyone for two years. What are you talking about freddy ? How many grade I races do you have to win ? All those fillies she thrashed showed promise.....then she came along and dashed their dreams. Try reading her pps and maybe watch a replay or 3.

The best horse she beat is an over hyped Rachel's Valentina and a very good Forever Unbridled that was pace compromised in her 1 of 2 excellent races both being on BC Day.. She will get maybe a 94 BSF today I think she has cracked 100 twice.. He isnt that fast never was

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

She drowned everyone for two years. What are you talking about freddy ? How many grade I races do you have to win ? All those fillies she thrashed showed promise.....then she came along and dashed their dreams. Try reading her pps and maybe watch a replay or 3.

Showing promise? to be considered as an all time great you have to beat better then showing promise stock. Like Personal Ensign did in beating the KD winner. Like a Zenyatta did beating boys in the Classic and just missing, like a Rachel did in the Oaks Preakness Haskell Woodward.. Preakness Haskell Woodward BOYS BOYS MEN huge speed figs in all.. This filly is life or death to crack 100.. Mo Kat Land over Sea and a 8f Carina Mia aint winning colors nor the Belmont and KD winner or the great horses Zenyatta flew past

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Showing promise? to be considered as an all time great you have to beat better then showing promise stock. Like Personal Ensign did in beating the KD winner. Like a Zenyatta did beating boys in the Classic and just missing, like a Rachel did in the Oaks Preakness Haskell Woodward.. Preakness Haskell Woodward BOYS BOYS MEN huge speed figs in all.. This filly is life or death to crack 100.. Mo Kat Land over Sea and a 8f Carina Mia aint winning colors nor the Belmont and KD winner or the great horses Zenyatta flew past

Monarchos was a way better hoss than chrome or American pharaoh since he broke 2:00 in the derby.....right . ????

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

She drowned everyone for two years. What are you talking about freddy ? How many grade I races do you have to win ? All those fillies she thrashed showed promise.....then she came along and dashed their dreams. Try reading her pps and maybe watch a replay or 3.

Dude you are delusional. Who's everyone Carina Mia? Did she beat Beholder lol

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Dude you are delusional. Who's everyone Carina Mia? Did she beat Beholder lol

Everyone means all hosses she ran against until the distaff..... read the form rockhead. Did you watch that replay yet ?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Monarchos was a way better hoss than chrome or American pharaoh since he broke 2:00 in the derby.....right . ????

No that's silly I didnt suggest race time I posted speed figs

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Everyone means all hosses she ran against until the distaff..... read the form rockhead. Did you watch that replay yet ?

You are out of control.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

No that's silly I didnt suggest race time I posted speed figs

How fast is she supposed to go Freddy. She's open lengths in front. When anyone came to her she ran away. Beholder isn't exactly chopped liver. Unbridled Forever is awesome too. Do you think any less of Beholder because she got beat a nose by Songbird in 1:49 and change ? Of course not, she's a great racemare

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

How fast is she supposed to go Freddy. She's open lengths in front. When anyone came to her she ran away. Beholder isn't exactly chopped liver. Unbridled Forever is awesome too. Do you think any less of Beholder because she got beat a nose by Songbird in 1:49 and change ? Of course not, she's a great racemare

Lol omg

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Lol omg

Why don't you go bet some imaginary $1200 doubles at Indiana grande?

Maybe throw in a $500 pick 4 3x3x4xall or something like that ?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Why don't you go bet some imaginary $1200 doubles at Indiana grande?

Maybe throw in a $500 pick 4 3x3x4xall or something like that ?

Lol

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

How fast is she supposed to go Freddy. She's open lengths in front. When anyone came to her she ran away. Beholder isn't exactly chopped liver. Unbridled Forever is awesome too. Do you think any less of Beholder because she got beat a nose by Songbird in 1:49 and change ? Of course not, she's a great racemare

I could take a good 40 claimer run them every 3 weeks against lesser and they would win by open lengths. Songbird has had 2 outstanding races in her career a glorious career I might add. Because she beat Mo Kat and friends in Cal, at no fault of hers, and distance challenged Mia Caramia or whatever her name is in a slow poke Alabama doesnt make her a fast horse..
I f Arrogate would have won the Travers in 2:03 by 8 nobody would have been wowed. There is a difference between horses that win because of circumstance an horses that dominant excellent rivals.

Being objective isnt a slight on her amazing career and everyone would pray for a horse as good as Songbird but she just was born in the right year and faced a bunch of OK horses except on the day she had her own way and should have draw off IF she was all that

[Alabama Stakes]

Drew off like beholder did in the pacific classic ? Funny how beholder could draw off against s bunch of older males , but not a 3 year old filly. They all had dream trips in that race except stellar wind who got left.

[taxicab]

Fascinating turn of events........right ?
Songbird is one of the two "it" horses in training,so when she didn't fire her usual shot today it was newsworthy.
The question is obvious.........is she as good now as she was in her Championship seasons ?
Beats me.....
She looked OK via the head on,she ran straight and when Mike Smith moved her out a bit to see the other horse she wasn't going to let that one get past her.
She had her usual rear wraps on,so that was fine.
She just didn't have her game on today.
It's hard to fire a giant race every single time,no horse really can.
Probably the only one that really knows where she's at is Hollendorfer.........he doesn't miss a whole lot.
I do wonder if he had her cranked up to the gills today.....
Her next race will be more conclusive as to where she's at.
She's still a champion and near impossible to beat,so I wouldn't sell her short.

[Indian Charlie]

I just watched the race. I don't really get the doom and gloom. She ran about as I expected. Her being off is likely a case of the rose lenses getting cracked.