Rasheed Wallace

[Mortimer]

My God.






It still lives.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually MJ might be the best example of a team player versus an individual because until he was surrounded by a core group of players that complimented his style (and were pretty good) he never went anywhere in the playoffs. Great as they were, Magic and Bird were drafted into pretty good situations. MJ and Lebron weren't.

Kev actually there was this thing called the ABA that predated MJ with that style of play along with the police blotter style of post game play...

And it took Jordan four tries to crack the Pistons in the playoffs. You've got to have some people to play with. I'm a Detroit native but I want this to go seven games and I will not be disappointed to see Cleve win. Should be a hecl of a game 5.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The best thing about the ABA was the hairdoos

How many ABA games did you go to? There were some great players.

AHHH lets see... the NBA 3 point shot came from where?

NBA was smart gobbling the ABA up.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too simplistic of an argument.

What argument am I trying to make?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What argument am I trying to make?

When comparing players that the only thing that matters is championships...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When comparing players that the only thing that matters is championships...

Actually it was teams with certain players.
So ya got me. Why I oughta...

I usually find it hard to agree with men that wear fake hair, and have a penchant for biting women in the butt, butt... Marv is right.

That was a superior athletic performance in the playoffs. About as good as it gets. The Manchild.
I think I would like this series to go two more games if Lebron is going to play like this every night.
That was really a fun game to watch.

Originally Posted by pgardn

I usually find it hard to agree with men that wear fake hair, and have a penchant for biting women in the butt, butt... Marv is right.

That was a superior athletic performance in the playoffs. About as good as it gets. The Manchild.
I think I would like this series to go two more games if Lebron is going to play like this every night.
That was really a fun game to watch.

ESPN stole my line.
Completely original... Never uttered before.

What a great day for basketball talk. Kobe has a mental breakdown, and Lebron takes over the world.

[King Glorious]

To say MJ wasn't a team player early is wrong. I remember a stretch in 1989 when they had lost their point guard where he moved there and went for seven straight triple-doubles and 10 in 11 games. That season, he ended up with 15 triple-doubles and five more games where he missed it by one assist or rebound. Magic had 17 that season. Jason Kidd's career high is 12. MJ was one of the few players in league history that if u needed 45 one night, he could get it. If u needed 15 boards the next, he could get it. If u needed 15 assists, he could get it. It's just that in those earlier days, his team needed him scoring 35 a night in order to have any chance. But he absolutely could play the team game if he wanted to. He could do whatever he wanted to do on the court. Others have made the point that he didn't have a team to play with then. That's true so he needed to be more of an individual. But I hate when people say he didn't become a winner until he learned to play team ball. That's just not true.

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"He didn't become a winner until he learned to play team ball."


This is so true.

[Mortimer]

It will be interesting to see if the NBA coaches noticed something last night.


No one else in the world apparently did.

Let's watch.










Should be fun.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

But I hate when people say he didn't become a winner until he learned to play team ball. That's just not true.

He was a winner before he came to the NBA. He 'became' a winner when the team got better players.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He was a winner before he came to the NBA. He 'became' a winner when the team got better players.

Can players BECOME better players under the right circumstances?

Or your just good or you are not?

I believe the former. ANd I also believe certain players have the ability to make others around them better. You have your stubborn superstar that just does not get much better, Rasheed Wallace. And you have some that are talented, just waiting to blossom... Steve Nash w/ Dallas AFTER his first go round with Phoenix.

Its not always crystal clear who the better players are until they meet right conditions. For instance, confidence is absolutely huge at any level of basketball. And that can be gained by being put in the proper situation. All of the guys in the NBA have some superior athletic and/or physical trait. I think the real key is finding players that can become better... as an individual and teammate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Can players BECOME better players under the right circumstances?

Or your just good or you are not?

I believe the former. ANd I also believe certain players have the ability to make others around them better. You have your stubborn superstar that just does not get much better, Rasheed Wallace. And you have some that are talented, just waiting to blossom... Steve Nash w/ Dallas AFTER his first go round with Phoenix.

Its not always crystal clear who the better players are until they meet right conditions. For instance, confidence is absolutely huge at any level of basketball. And that can be gained by being put in the proper situation. All of the guys in the NBA have some superior athletic and/or physical trait. I think the real key is finding players that can become better... as an individual and teammate.

Talent level may not change but the dynamics of a team can make a players strengths come out or be stifled. A point guard will play better if he has good shooters to pass to.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Can players BECOME better players under the right circumstances?

Or your just good or you are not?

I believe the former. ANd I also believe certain players have the ability to make others around them better. You have your stubborn superstar that just does not get much better, Rasheed Wallace. And you have some that are talented, just waiting to blossom... Steve Nash w/ Dallas AFTER his first go round with Phoenix.

Its not always crystal clear who the better players are until they meet right conditions. For instance, confidence is absolutely huge at any level of basketball. And that can be gained by being put in the proper situation. All of the guys in the NBA have some superior athletic and/or physical trait. I think the real key is finding players that can become better... as an individual and teammate.

Pgardn: ...so you added "hunting for the Holy Grail" as one of your interests!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Talent level may not change but the dynamics of a team can make a players strengths come out or be stifled. A point guard will play better if he has good shooters to pass to.

Mediocre shooters become good shooters if they have the right point guard to get them the ball in their range and spot.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Pgardn: ...so you added "hunting for the Holy Grail" as one of your interests!

I'll leave that to RC Buford and company.

But Ive had to put together some girls AAU teams, and looking for the right combination is critical, cat fights and all must be part of the equation, with Kobe as well.

meltdown Rasheed...

[timmgirvan]

Fatal Flaw...plus Flips' coaching! And the fact that the pod people have whisked away the "real" Taysuan Prince!