Librarians, Keepers of the Liberty

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Kindly spell Conde's name right. It's not Condy.

You better learn it. She's our next President if she wants the job.

Actually ...

... her name was supposed to be "Condolcezza" ... an Italian musical term meaning "with sweetness" ... but ...

... somehow the "c" got changed to an "e" and it came out "Condoleezza." Not wanting to fight city hall ... her folks left it that way ... and "Condoleezza" it is.

She's a brilliant lady ... but I'm not sure she'd be a good president. Politics is a profession ... and running for office ... and winning ... requires a whole different set of skills. It's tough to see how ... in this day and age ... someone can win the presidency in her first try for elected office.

[Seattleallstar]

lets cut the bs, when people speak of minorities in low socioeconomic classifications we should just point out blacks, hispanics, and native americans. Don't clump in the Asians in that category anymore, cause apparently the label "minority" doesnt apply to us in certain instiutions anymore

Originally Posted by pgardn

And now we get down to the meat of the matter. I agree with the economic side. So why do we have more minorities in low socioeconomic classifications.

No hard work?
Unwillingness to embrace America?
Not willing to speak clean English?
Not dressing properly?

This is what I am gathering. Got to go. I shall return.

Yes ... yes ... yes ... and yes.

For the wealthy "minorities" who live on my block ... the answers are ... no ... no ... no ... and no.

Come back soon.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

lets cut the bs, when people speak of minorities in low socioeconomic classifications we should just point out blacks, hispanics, and native americans. Don't clump in the Asians in that category anymore, cause apparently the label "minority" doesnt apply to us in certain instiutions anymore

Yes ... it's quite amazing how Asians are always left out of these maudlin, bleeding heart discussions of how tough it is for "minorities."

Hey ... it's not tough for "minorities" ... it's tough for the lazy, the slovenly, the substance abuser, and the criminal.

Hardworking, persevering, law-abiding, respectful people of all backgrounds get ahead ... but bums don't ... very simple.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Yes ... yes ... yes ... and yes.

For the wealthy "minorities" who live on my block ... the answers are ... no ... no ... no ... and no.

Come back soon.

Brooklyn I have to say that I agree with those things, all of them.

If you want to work hard, dress properly(doesnt have to be designer shirts and 400 dollar shoes, you can get some stuff at TJ Maxx or Marshalls like khakis and a button down shirt real cheap), speak English, and show pride as an American(please don't ask me to speak your language and take a day off for your Holiday, and please don't tell me all about what we do wrong in this country when we were kind enough to accept you into the fold) I can gurantee you that no matter what color or creed you are that you are going to have a better chance at success than a white male who doesnt want to work very hard and dresses like a slob.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

This thread is amazing to try to follow. It started as a salute to librarians and it has encompassed race, gender, poverty, immigration, the middle east, politics, as well as other stuff I don't have time to document. I love it. Although there is too much in the way of mean spirited comments for my liking, I think the airing out of passions is a good thing.

And to think that this is all occurring on an OT thread of a horse racing board!!

Lots of passions.
It went to places I never expected..and on an OT thread of a horse racing message board....
Some informed views, some not. At least those that took this thread as an opportunity to expess their ideas have certainly done so.

I'm still waiting for Osama's corpse to show up on CNN, as well as the satellite photos of the 80% of WMD's going to Syria.

Now, let's get back to discussing enculturation of ethnic groups and discrepancies in the genetic predisposition of melanin in dermal tissue.

I can't wait.

Carry on!

DTS

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Yes ... it's quite amazing how Asians are always left out of these maudlin, bleeding heart discussions of how tough it is for "minorities."

Hey ... it's not tough for "minorities" ... it's tough for the lazy, the slovenly, the substance abuser, and the criminal.

Hardworking, persevering, law-abiding, respectful people of all backgrounds get ahead ... but bums don't ... very simple.

Its not real hard to see that. Geez its amazing(rolling my eyes) that a guy who speaks bad English and dresses like a "gangsta" can't get a good job. I can barely believe it. O"Reilly has it right. Its not racial discrimination, its human discrimination. Humans who don't want to conform to society's norms and standards are not gonna cut it.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Actually ...

... her name was supposed to be "Condolcezza" ... an Italian musical term meaning "with sweetness" ... but ...

... somehow the "c" got changed to an "e" and it came out "Condoleezza." Not wanting to fight city hall ... her folks left it that way ... and "Condoleezza" it is.

She's a brilliant lady ... but I'm not sure she'd be a good president. Politics is a profession ... and running for office ... and winning ... requires a whole different set of skills. It's tough to see how ... in this day and age ... someone can win the presidency in her first try for elected office.

She is brilliant but I don't think she has the fire in the belly to be a real politician. That is a dirty slimy business that I doubt she will want to tackle.
She'll be a success at whatever she set's her sights on.

[Seattleallstar]

hey mike they cant help it if they are that way, its the environment thery were raised in its society's fault

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Lots of passions.
It went to places I never expected..and on an OT thread of a horse racing message board....
Some informed views, some not. At least those that took this thread as an opportunity to expess their ideas have certainly done so.

I'm still waiting for Osama's corpse to show up on CNN, as well as the satellite photos of the 80% of WMD's going to Syria.

Now, let's get back to discussing enculturation of ethnic groups and discrepancies in the genetic predisposition of melanin in dermal tissue.

I can't wait.

Carry on!

DTS

I'd also like to add that when this thread has run its course, I hope it is retired to the Charles Hatton Reading Room.
Some sociology grad student will be able to sort it out and maybe get a nice paper out of it. Might take some time, but a worthy effort to digest the discourse.
It's quite a slice.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I'd also like to add that when this thread has run its course, I hope it is retired to the Charles Hatton Reading Room.
Some sociology grad student will be able to sort it out and maybe get a nice paper out of it. Might take some time, but a worthy effort to digest the discourse.
It's quite a slice.

I also would like threads like this one kept around somewhere. Although a little rough in areas it contains a lot of good back and forth. It also gives a unique insight into another side of the regulars that you would never pick up in the horse section.

Heck, disecting this thread could be the subject for a whole semester for a sociology class.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Yes ... yes ... yes ... and yes.

For the wealthy "minorities" who live on my block ... the answers are ... no ... no ... no ... and no.

Come back soon.

For Seattle first. The two major minoritites are hispanic and black, in that order. Asians are a distance third % wise.

And I will go a step in a different direction. I think it has to do with family. I believe a stable family where hard work and education are valued, lead to a greater probablility of experiencing the wonderful advanatages this country has to offer. Now another look at the numbers. It is very clear that black families experience a much higher rate of break up. Dad "usually" leaves the kids behind. This is what the numbers say. Most often kids in juuvy, and then jail, come from broken disfunctional families.

So why do black families experience a higher rate of breakup, that I personally believe cascades into a number of other problems?

And Seattle I think you now have what I believe is the reason for the success of the Asian minority. The family.

[irishtrekker]

Originally Posted by irishtrekker

Oracle, I don't mean to pry, but did you have access to health care? Regular meals? A roof over your head?

You consequently were way ahead of the kids I worked with in shelters, who start out with addicted or imprisoned parents (who often were barely adults themselves), no support, no money and no home.

Most of the teenagers I knew from that shelter wound up in trouble or on the streets, too.

Some people have a lot farther to climb than others, and sometimes when they fall it actually isn't their faults. Hell, some never even get off the ground.

Sorry to push my own quote forward again, but I don't feel like anyone's really addressed it. These kids face a lot more challenges than not wanting to dress appropriately, or whatever. Oh, and Seattle, some of them were Pacific Islanders and/or Southeast Asians. Some of them were white. Some were African American. Some were Alaska Native/American Indian. We saw a little bit of everything. The people in our program were the ones who really, really wanted to get out because our HUD funding requirements were too stringent to take anyone who didn't have a significant chance of getting into permanent housing. But the reality is that HUD funding has been slashed and Section 8's aren't being allocated anymore. The waitlist for Section 8 was *closed* in Seattle when I worked there, and people still left on the waitlist had a 3-5 year wait for permanent housing. Transitional shelters can't hold you for more than 18 months to two years MAX, and the waitlists for places like us are really, really long. So kids of homeless parents get bounced from shelter to shelter for years. Schools have to change, friends disappear, money is almost nonexistent...think that doesn't make it harder for them?

All I'm saying is that it's unfair to come down hard on kids who don't stand much of a chance by accusing them of being lazy/ungrateful as adults. If we're such a pro-life nation, why don't we make sure that every child is able to thrive and be protected until they're old enough to make their own decisions? Life doesn't end at birth...but for some of the kids I knew, it might as well have. Sorry, but I can't even explain how awful some of the stuff was that I saw. You can't control the circumstances into which you're born, and when you're born homeless, in some way you've already fallen out of the social nets that are supposed to catch you. Do some homeless kids wind up doing amazing things? Of course. But a lot don't, and I'll be damned if I'm going to shake my head and say, "If only they worked a little harder..."

[irishtrekker]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I also would like threads like this one kept around somewhere. Although a little rough in areas it contains a lot of good back and forth. It also gives a unique insight into another side of the regulars that you would never pick up in the horse section.

Heck, disecting this thread could be the subject for a whole semester for a sociology class.

For sure, ArlJim.

[Seattleallstar]

im at work right now, but I will discuss these issues further when I get home. I LOVE THIS! I feel like im in college again, great input from everyone

Originally Posted by pgardn

So why do black families experience a higher rate of breakup, that I personally believe cascades into a number of other problems?

Up through the 1950's ... black families were just as stable ... and even slightly more so ... than whites.

But many black families bought into the fool's gold of the great society and the welfare state ... government welfare, government housing, government education, government healthcare, government meals ... and proceeded to go right down the drain as all socialists throughout the world have done.

The ones who didn't buy into the welfare state ... who were hard-working and self-reliant ... have done just as well as everyone else. Since the welfare law was reformed about ten years ago ... many others have gotten off the plantation and become self-reliant.

If you want to read up on this subject ... the world's foremost expert ... who has done massive research using actual census statistics ... is ...

... Thomas Sowell !!!

[Seattleallstar]

Thomas Sowell is black and came from a underprivillaged childhood in NY. One of my favorite intellectuals out there, was introduced to him in my introductory Microeconimics class. Since then ive tried to read everything he puts out, I think he still works at Stanford, and basically gets paid to think

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Thomas Sowell is black and came from a underprivillaged childhood in NY. One of my favorite intellectuals out there, was introduced to him in my introductory Microeconimics class. Since then ive tried to read everything he puts out, I think he still works at Stanford, and basically gets paid to think

Speaking of Dr. Sowell ...

... his latest opinion column ... published today ... is very relevant to this thread ... here it is ...

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/T..._and_blacks_ii

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Up through the 1950's ... black families were just as stable ... and even slightly more so ... than whites.

But many black families bought into the fool's gold of the great society and the welfare state ... government welfare, government housing, government education, government healthcare, government meals ... and proceeded to go right down the drain as all socialists throughout the world have done.

The ones who didn't buy into the welfare state ... who were hard-working and self-reliant ... have done just as well as everyone else. Since the welfare law was reformed about ten years ago ... many others have gotten off the plantation and become self-reliant.

If you want to read up on this subject ... the world's foremost expert ... who has done massive research using actual census statistics ... is ...

... Thomas Sowell !!!

Why would Black families need any government help if the 1950's were so hunky-dory?

And I have read the guy. I get very skeptical when a person refers to one "expert". And if you mention Bill O'Reilly in the same sentence as Thomas Sowell, I am going to have huge problems. O'Reilly showed his true stripes already trying to battle a silly comedian. O'Reilly is the actor for the right that need entertainment versus substance. Same with Limbaugh. Same with James Corvell or whatever that I dont listen to anymore for the left. These guys are entertainers.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Speaking of Dr. Sowell ...

... his latest opinion column ... published today ... is very relevant to this thread ... here it is ...

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/T..._and_blacks_ii

You will find Mr. Sowell's finest work referenced on the site townhall.com, right next to the link labeled, " How to buy a semi-automatic weapon."