Three New BC Races

[Riot]

Just a quick question for everyone to think about. Where is the BC going to get the new purse money? Do they have any NEW sponcers?

The Breeders Cup races (day of event and leadup) are funded by annual foal crop and horses of racing age nominations, and annual stallion nominations (fee equal to stallions advertised stud fee, or at least $1000).

I don't think funding is a concern

[Gotodubai]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I heard Emirates Air and Al Qaeda were going to flip a coin for sponsorship of the new races.


Don't quote me on that.

So if AQ wins the flip you will be billing for your 10% agent fee?

Originally Posted by Gotodubai

So if AQ wins the flip you will be billing for your 10% agent fee?

Yes. And then I'll celebrate by beating my wife.

[King Glorious]

It doesn't matter if they make the races grade ones or not. Anyone with half a brain would be able to know that just because a horse wins a grade one race doesn't necessarily mean he's a true grade one horse. Does anyone believe that Flashy Bull, Jazil, or Colonial Colony are true grade one horses? Anyone that mistakenly believes that the winner of a new 12f BC race is automatically a world champion just because they name the races the World Championships is just an idiot anyway.

[Gotodubai]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Breeders Cup races (day of event and leadup) are funded by annual foal crop and horses of racing age nominations, and annual stallion nominations (fee equal to stallions advertised stud fee, or at least $1000).

I don't think funding is a concern

Point well taken. You are right. But if funding is not a concern, then why don't they at least supplement travel costs? It would help a little to attract oversees runners(depending on the host track) creating global exposure, and hopefully global sponcers. I know this has been thought of and talked about , but I wish they would strengthen what they have befor the 2 day plan spreds things to thin. IMO

[Gotodubai]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yes. And then I'll celebrate by beating my wife.

Are you not getting tired of that by now? I know, why don't you try beating yourself? Oh I'm sorry, that question is a little old. You have been beating yourself OFF and on for sometime now.


Domestic Violence "jokes"- Nice Pillow Pants real nice.


Sorry everyone I just wanted to talk about horseracing. OUT

Originally Posted by Gotodubai

Are you not getting tired of that by now? I know, why don't you try beating yourself? Oh I'm sorry, that question is a little old. You have been beating yourself OFF and on for sometime now.


Domestic Violence "jokes"- Nice Pillow Pants real nice.


Sorry everyone I just wanted to talk about horseracing. OUT

There wouldn't be a need to make the jokes if muslims weren't known for beating their women, you dense jackass.
Masturbation jokes. Awesome.

[Alan07]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Please correct me if I am wrong, Aren't most of the turf sprint races run between five to six furlongs? Isn't Santa Anita the only track that runs Six and half furlongs on the turf. I though they were about six and half furlongs on the turf.

Belmont and Woodbine run 7f turf sprints

[Alan07]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Yeah, by the end of the decade.....the B.C. will be cancelled due to poor ratings.

And then we return to pre-1984

[Danzig]

it's a shame that 12 f is considered a marathon.

as for the new races, since this is called the breeders cup, how much input do breeders have regarding races?
and as for the differing distances, anything that would encourage breeders to look for different types of horses, rather than sprinter/milers who might carry speed 10f, has to be a good thing. right?

hey, at least the belmont won't be decried as a useless race due to it's distance. and maybe racetracks will card other races in line with the year end big day.

and maybe 'win and you're in' won't only deal with races on a certain network.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you know why there was a 1 1/2 mile allowance race on the Belmont undercard?

And, furthermore, you are suggesting the JCGC, once considered as prestigious a race as was run in this country, should now be reduced to being a prep for a completely inconsequential race. Brilliant.

When it was THE championship race of the year, in Kelso and Buckpasser's time, it was run at 2 miles.

[saratogabrit]

I hope that the Turf Sprit might be added to the Global Sprint Challenge Series-it may be too close to the leg in Japan...

Ticket prices will shoot up again for next year on the Friday. I'm sure that they had these 3 more races agreed on last year but decided to add 3 and then 3 because they knew that the swingeing ticket prices increases would be best administered in 2 doses.

[cmorioles]

As with most things in racing, this is good for owners/trainers, bad for bettors. The BC used to be the one day you could count on big fields and competitive races. Not any more. Of course, nobody cares about bettors anyway.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

As with most things in racing, this is good for owners/trainers, bad for bettors. The BC used to be the one day you could count on big fields and competitive races. Not any more. Of course, nobody cares about bettors anyway.

How it is "bad for bettors?"

The dilution of the fields argument is a tepid one at best.

[cmorioles]

Because now we get smaller fields on the one day we used to be able to count on big fields. Just like the rest of the stakes races, the talent is going to get diluted among more races, period. Less horses in a race means less competition and shorter prices. That isn't bad for bettors?

[Riot]

Because now we get smaller fields on the one day we used to be able to count on big fields.

I'm not convinced of that, I think it's an assumption that won't play out. But we'll both just have to see.

I don't know about Euro attendance in 2008. Artificial surface presence expands the options for many of them, but they have to add the longer flight across country from NY. The generally-always-firm turf course is attractive to enough horses from Euro to be tempting (they don't all like ground with give in it).

What was the Euro attendence at the last left coast BC, anybody recall?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not convinced of that, I think it's an assumption that won't play out. But we'll both just have to see.

It obviously will reduce field size. There is no doubt about that. The addition of three new races this year already decreased field size.
If someone had a really top notch 2yo turf filly this year they could either take a shot against the boys in the juvenile turf OR try the dirt in the juvy fillies. Not next year. They can enter her in a BIG money 2yo turf race for fillies instead.
Saying that it won't reduce field size is nonsensical. People could disagree on how big of an impact it will have....but it will certainly have an impact.

[Bobby Fischer]

I am not a fan of synthetic surface at major tracks, however if the 2008 BC is managed even half way decent, it should be a huge success as far as field size.

The surfaces have been around for a few years now and trainers are catching on.
In 2008 you will get all the standard BC horses , + several polytrack specialists, + extra foriegn turf horses to run on synthetic.

I don't think we will see negative effects until we move back to a dirt surface for a few years. I think a BC with a synthetic surface lowers the quality of the sport, but field size should increase.

The Classic should absolutely have a fully loaded gate in 2008. If not then someone isn't doing their job.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I am not a fan of synthetic surface at major tracks, however if the 2008 BC is managed even half way decent, it should be a huge success as far as field size.

The surfaces have been around for a few years now and trainers are catching on.
In 2008 you will get all the standard BC horses , + several polytrack specialists, + extra foriegn turf horses to run on synthetic.

I don't think we will see negative effects until we move back to a dirt surface for a few years. I think a BC with a synthetic surface lowers the quality of the sport, but field size should increase.

The Classic should absolutely have a fully loaded gate in 2008. If not then someone isn't doing their job.

If the dollar doesn't recover a little, the incentive for horses from across the pond to come over is diminished. Some will certainly still do it (as they did this year) but probably not as many as in past years.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

If the dollar doesn't recover a little, the incentive for horses from across the pond to come over is diminished. Some will certainly still do it (as they did this year) but probably not as many as in past years.

Yes, that will have an impact. The owners always have to weigh which races they ship to and consider things like economics, bloodstock, prestige...
Some of these outfits seem to ship a couple horses over and participate each year.