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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Where does Go for Wand fit in with this group?

She would certainly trounce Spain with ease in almost all situations.

And she had the ability to beat any name up there I'm sure.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

In my inital reading of this I actually thought bf stood for Beyer Figure.

This may be a sign that you need to leave your mom's basement and get out more often.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

DrugS's parents were in diapers when Damascus was running.

They were, of course, married.....but he's from Erie.

Just because Damascus raced before I was born doesn't mean I'm making judgements (him looking invincible with the aid of a rabbit to setup his run) on shaky grounds.

Simply watching the races - it would be impossible to not make that kind of judgement.

His '67 Travers win looking like Whirlaway in the '41 Preakness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGOz...eature=related

All of his meetings with Dr. fager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8frxLao1bM


And as for Erie - it has produced one of the greatest sports heros going for undersized men like yourself.



Too bad he's one week away from he, and the Indy secondary, getting owned by Moss.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

This may be a sign that you need to leave your mom's basement and get out more often.

I would rather live under a bridge - than live anywhere near my mom.

I'm shocked she hasn't got around to errecting statues of herself on her front lawn - sort of along the lines of third world dictators.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would rather live under a bridge - than live anywhere near my mom.

I'm shocked she hasn't got around to errecting statues of herself on her front lawn - sort of along the lines of third world dictators.

You're just mad because your Mom's a lot prettier than you.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Just because Damascus raced before I was born doesn't mean I'm making judgements (him looking invincible with the aid of a rabbit to setup his run) on shaky grounds.

Simply watching the races - it would be impossible to not make that kind of judgement.

His '67 Travers win looking like Whirlaway in the '41 Preakness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGOz...eature=related

All of his meetings with Dr. fager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8frxLao1bM


And as for Erie - it has produced one of the greatest sports heros going for undersized men like yourself.


Too bad he's one week away from he, and the Indy secondary, getting owned by Moss.

I've watched many of Damascus' races and no, it's not impossible to not make the judgment you made.

He was far more than just a rabbited set up horse.

And when he wasn;t rabbitted vs Fager, it was no disgrace that he got beat. Fager was only one of the two best horses to race between Citation and Secretariat and arguably was better than both of them.

Maybe a political analyst gig is in your future?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're just mad because your Mom's a lot prettier than you.

Dude, she's not even Italian.

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I am as pretty as pretty gets.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Maybe a political analyst gig is in your future?

Obviously Damascus was great no matter what - but like I said, he was invincible with the rabbit to set him up. Does that statement make him less of a horse?

I will only become a politcal analyst if I can bring Cannon along as my expert on Pakistan.

[SentToStud]

[quote=The Indomitable DrugS]Obviously Damascus was great no matter what - but like I said, he was invincible with the rabbit to set him up. Does that statement make him less of a horse?

I will only become a politcal analyst if I can bring Cannon along as my expert on Pakistan.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's a good idea. Especially if he wears that pork pie hat and adds a monacle. Sh*t would get straightened out right quick.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Would anyone consider these fillies Great:

Azeri
Personal Ensign
Princess Rooney
Rags to Riches
Spain
Davona Dale

personal ensign absolutely. the rest....good to very good, but not great. altho i am on the fence about davona dale.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

If Princess Rooney isn't great - your bar for greatness is set way too high.

[Danzig]

you have to draw a line somewhere.
but your comment sent me to the bookshelf, and my bloodhorse top 100. davona dale is there, but not the princess.
lady's secret is in there, and i'm not sure i'd call her great either. but, i am stingy with the appellation. besides, the more you call great, the less special it becomes.

[fpsoxfan]

Just read through the thread. You all make wonderful arguments for many.
After reading this I keep coming back to one thought....

Will we ever see another great one??

And I mean one that we can all agree on. A Secretariat, a Man 'O War, A Seattle Slew. Many of us are too young to remember the "real" great ones.
I've been in this game since 1987 and I can't really say I've seen a real great horse. I've seen plenty that you folks have already mentioned that have had a great day or a great six or seven months, but nothing that compared to the real great ones.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Just read through the thread. You all make wonderful arguments for many.
After reading this I keep coming back to one thought....

Will we ever see another great one??

And I mean one that we can all agree on. A Secretariat, a Man 'O War, A Seattle Slew. Many of us are too young to remember the "real" great ones.
I've been in this game since 1987 and I can't really say I've seen a real great horse. I've seen plenty that you folks have already mentioned that have had a great day or a great six or seven months, but nothing that compared to the real great ones.

I think Ouija Board was great, and while I may get murdered here for saying so, I also think Skip Away was great, although a less flashy, less brilliant embodiement of it. Certainly, neither are on the same level as the obvious past greats, but I have no problem using the word for them.

Those are the only two horses that I've seen in my life that I would qualify as great.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think Ouija Board was great, and while I may get murdered here for saying so, I also think Skip Away was great, although a less flashy, less brilliant embodiement of it. Certainly, neither are on the same level as the obvious past greats, but I have no problem using the word for them.

Those are the only two horses that I've seen in my life that I would qualify as great.

Ouija Board in the paddock prior to the Breeders Cup at Churchill was one of the most impressive things I have ever seen in my life... they had the biggest video camera in the place 6 inches from her face and she couldn't care less. It was almost like she was saying to everyone, "yeah, i'm the Sh*t, and I'm gonna win"... I remember saying to anyone who would listen that she was best racehorse on the grounds that day, and still believe that. Been a racing "fan" for 15 years, but only closely following it for the last 3 or 4, and Ouija Board was a great horse. A race anyone, anywhere "great" horse...

and for the record, if Frankie doesn't get her pinned on the rail I think she beats Deep Impact in Japan in his last start...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you have to draw a line somewhere.
but your comment sent me to the bookshelf, and my bloodhorse top 100. davona dale is there, but not the princess.
lady's secret is in there, and i'm not sure i'd call her great either. but, i am stingy with the appellation. besides, the more you call great, the less special it becomes.

Davona Dale was before me - and I have seen very little of her - she was 11-for-18 with 2 seconds and 1 third - and basically had only one strong year.

Princess Rooney was 21-17-2-1 - she had an amazing 2yo year old season, won the Ky Oaks at age 3, and won the Breeders Cup Distaff by open lengths at 4 with a 119 Beyer.

The bloodhorse top 100 was a bozo production.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Just read through the thread. You all make wonderful arguments for many.
After reading this I keep coming back to one thought....

Will we ever see another great one??

And I mean one that we can all agree on. A Secretariat, a Man 'O War, A Seattle Slew. Many of us are too young to remember the "real" great ones.
I've been in this game since 1987 and I can't really say I've seen a real great horse. I've seen plenty that you folks have already mentioned that have had a great day or a great six or seven months, but nothing that compared to the real great ones.

Easy Goer was great.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think Ouija Board was great, and while I may get murdered here for saying so, I also think Skip Away was great, although a less flashy, less brilliant embodiement of it.

Skip Away was obviously great. I think he'd be in everyone's top 3 from the 90's. I think he was the best horse of the 90s...no idea why you'd get murdered for that.

Ouija Board, on the other hand, calling her great is a huge reach in my opinion. She lossed 12 of her 22career starts - and her two BC Filly and Mare Turf Wins both came at the expense of 2nd place finisher Film Maker.

Film Maker never won more than a single Grade 3 stake in those two years.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

and for the record, if Frankie doesn't get her pinned on the rail I think she beats Deep Impact in Japan in his last start...

I need to watch that race again - as I remember it, she was not beating Deep Impact with any kind of trip that day.

[Cajungator26]

I'd put Silver Charm in the 'great' category as well.