Is a vote for Sarah..a vote for Todd as well?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Mike

I can't believe this thread is averaging a post every 15 seconds for the past hour. Don't people want to talk about McCain and Nazi death squads?

You have to post gems like this one in order to get activity. You have to give people history lessons about israel and the middle east.


Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
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You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Yes it is a COMPLETE stretch Chuck and you are so very wrong about my posts you cant seem to grasp it. I think its crazy how much we give them, and they ARE a more than competant country. But to assume I feel we need to withdraw support for them and not have them as an ally is rediculous Chuck. But we dont need to give them so much . We have tons of allies we dont treat like Isreal.

Do we have any other allies in the Middle east? Should we send England some more money because we are concerned about the North sea oilfields? How exactly can you or i determine exactly what is too much or not enough aid between countries?

MEEP MEEP!!!

[Mortimer]

OH MINE GOD!!




thud

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You have to post gems like this one in order to get activity. You have to give people history lessons about israel and the middle east.


Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
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You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Again, not substance, but arrogance.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know why you feel the need to call names? 1945,48, what is the difference. You called me out for suggesting their was a jewish vote. Which their obviously is. Then you call me out and call me names yet never answer any of the questions. You ignore the fact that our Isreali policy is basically the same regardless of party in charge. the only thing you brought to this discussion was the introduction of the Isreal Lobby and it's conservative eadership but failed to do anything else but call names. Or of course some 1000 page crap that we are supposed to take as fact.

And what have you brought Chuck besides your uneducated views on a topic you have nary a clue. You attempt to regurgitate your party line banter no doubt garnered from Foxnews and Sean Hannity. YOU THINK ISRAEL WAS BORN IN 1945 and our policy hasnt changed since. What choice do i have but to call that statement ignorant?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You have to post gems like this one in order to get activity. You have to give people history lessons about israel and the middle east.


Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
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You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Dala.. I know you have a big arguement with Cannon about this, but seriously, using the 1945 thing when it was 1948 is not going to help you out and makes you look kind of silly.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Again, not substance, but arrogance.

I posted an essay by two trusted scholars...one from HARVARD. What have you provided?

[Mortimer]

I'm Theodore Roosevelt. Who are you?




Woodrow Wilson...now go to bed!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Dala.. I know you have a big arguement with Cannon about this, but seriously, using the 1945 thing when it was 1948 is not going to help you out and makes you look kind of silly.

Actually it doesnt. Many people are misinformed about the creation of Israel. Many think that it was created in 1945 as a result of the holocaust immediately after the war. It was agreed upon in 1947 and founded in 1948. Dates are important ESPECIALLY those dates. Not knowing the year shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject.

It is akin to saying that Secretariat won the triple crown in 1976.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do we have any other allies in the Middle east? Should we send England some more money because we are concerned about the North sea oilfields? How exactly can you or i determine exactly what is too much or not enough aid between countries?

I'm going to pull and Obama and say this question is above my pay scale.

THEBBY PALIN!!

[Mortimer]

fr&l-a!!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And what have you brought Chuck besides your uneducated views on a topic you have nary a clue. You attempt to regurgitate your party line banter no doubt garnered from Foxnews and Sean Hannity. YOU THINK ISRAEL WAS BORN IN 1945 and our policy hasnt changed since. What choice do i have but to call that statement ignorant?

hard to believe I put 1945 when it was 1948. So far off. What have I said that isnt true? That Isreal is our only ally in the ME? That the ME is a unstable area? That Isreal has nukes and wont be afraid to use them if threatened? That it is impossible for people on a mesage board to determine the what amount of aid between countries is correct? That our policy towrds Isreal has been pretty consistent regardless of ruling party?

[dalakhani]

http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol1/israel_body.html

Another essay

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I posted an essay by two trusted scholars...one from HARVARD. What have you provided?

Two trusted scholars? How do we know that? major US universities have tenured professors that believe in UFO's. Bush went to an Ivy league school and according to you he is an idiot.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Actually it doesnt. Many people are misinformed about the creation of Israel. Many think that it was created in 1945 as a result of the holocaust immediately after the war. It was agreed upon in 1947 and founded in 1948. Dates are important ESPECIALLY those dates. Not knowing the year shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject.

It is akin to saying that Secretariat won the triple crown in 1976.

to riducule him based on a 3 year difference is silly.

[Mortimer]

miss tessmaucher!!!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

hard to believe I put 1945 when it was 1948. So far off. What have I said that isnt true? That Isreal is our only ally in the ME? That the ME is a unstable area? That Isreal has nukes and wont be afraid to use them if threatened? That it is impossible for people on a mesage board to determine the what amount of aid between countries is correct? That our policy towrds Isreal has been pretty consistent regardless of ruling party?

Those are base facts. Is that what you are resorting to? You need to stick to debates with the antitrust32's of the world.

Where are your facts wrong?

Policy toward Israel hasnt changed since 1945,er, 1948

This alone shows a complete lack of understanding of US policy toward the region. It was not until the mid 60's that the US policy changed significantly. 1967 to be exact. Our aid to Israel both militarily and economically increased dramatically. These were the formative years of the neo con movement. Nixon years. Between 1967 and 1990, we had all of four years with a democrat in office.