You can hear a pin drop during the McCain speech....

[Mike]

Jim, what should the media do? Do you want a free press? Then the press is free to call it as they see it, no? The choice of Palin was a disgrace, an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Only a suppressed media or a moronic media could endorse the ticket.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Obama reneged on public financing. McCain didn't. Also Obama took money from god only knows where because they didn't even bother to check where the money was coming for. Personally I expect this funding issue to be one of his first scandals. I don't know how it can just be overlooked. however with one party rule a lot can be swept under the rug so who knows.
as far as the media bias, its not even debatable, I don't know how a fairminded person could miss it. The mask has been dropped this time resulting in outright advocacy. Its gotten so bad that even people from with the industry themselves are speaking out against it. It's not an excuse its just a fact.

wasn't it one party rule during bushes first six years? did you mind it then?
also, donations to a party fall under first amendment rights, don't they?

[Mike]

Obama sure did renege on his word when he saw he would benefit from opting out of public financing

But, I strongly disagree with you in regards to Obama getting his money from "God knows where". Even Stevie Wonder can see that Obama got his money from the millions of new voters who finally saw a candidate worth voting for. Voter turnout set records because of the interest in Obama

I'm 45 years old, and this is the first time I've liked a major candidate for the presidency. Obama was very smart to get his book out a few years before the election(regarding his drug usage). His candor about this, even if politically calculated, paid off big-time

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I just cant see how anyone would believe the media ISNT biased

My Lord! Obama was made out to look like a Savior in the media and McCain was made out to look like a old fart who will drop over next week.


And I VERY much agree with Dannie about the military.. It is extremely important to our country that young, bright minds keep enlisting and that our military stays the strongest in the world. I know some young men who could have had an IVY league education and decided to enlist.

This time period is a VERY violent time... and to take the situations of the world ightly could really cause harm to our country.

I have a hard time figuring out how anyone thinks the media isnt biased especially the national media who were actually giddy today over this election. maybe if you agree with their politics you cant see it as well.

The military is run by graduates of the academies. Hard to get better than them.

I also cant comprehend how anyone could think that the world isnt a very dangerous place right now (Iran will soon have nukes, unstable regimes like pakistan already do, the Chinese are accumulating massive wealth of which a signifigant amount is spent on military, Russia is invading countries and rattling sabres, etc) and that the military strength that we posess shouldnt be taken for granted.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Timmi-

That "fraud" is now your president elect and you really don't know enough about him to be making such a statement.

Consider being more open minded. This man may surprise you.

He may also surprise you too

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He may also surprise you too

Chuck don't forget we still have Chris Dodd and Barney Fiffe looking out for our interests..just like they have over the past several years!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

why humiliate yourself further with these lame excuses? You had this election all wrong. It wasnt just a victory...it was an utter beat down. A thrashing. A stomping of epic proportions.

If it had been close, i could buy some of this crap but it wasnt even close.

Perhaps you need to do a little research. This was hardly a thrashing or were any epic proportions reached. Obama won with 53% of the popular vote. 22 states favored McCain. 56 million American citizens voted against Obama. 1956, 1964, 1972 or 1984, those were thrashings.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Isn't that the point though Chuck? It's less than 24 hours since he was elected. He's not even in office yet. The way some people are talking, no matter what he does the next 4 years it'll be a failure. It's silly.

Obama is walking into a s.hitstorm. Besides all of the stuff you mention he has the economy to deal with as well. Let's see what happens, because, like it or not he's your president for the next 4 years. Where is all of the outrage about what a horrendous President Bush was? He gets a pass from a lot of people here, while Obama hasn't even been sworn in yet and already some are sure he's going to be a failure.

Walking into a sh.itstorm is surely not ideal though it gives him a lot of excuses to change what he has proposed and gives him the "out" i'm sure we will hear alot, Bush's fault. I dont agree with alot of what his stances on issues, I think (so much of what is proposed by people running for office and so many of the platforms that are run on are bs to get elected) but I hope he works out.

Where is the outrage against Bush? You are kidding right? No president has ever been as savagely attacked as Bush has.

I think Obama is going to fail for a few reasons. Number one is that 46% of the country doesnt agree with his policies enough to vote for a party that has failed in many respects. It wont take that much to turn that 46% into 51%. Number 2 is that many of his policies are simply not feasible. Number three if Sharpton, Farrakahn, Boxer, Streisand, Franken, Schmuer, Frank (Barney not Lawerence), Trial lawyers, unions, Oprah, Rather, Ted Kennedy, etc are happy then people like me should not be because they are polar opposites on virtually every issue to business owners and people like me.

[Payson Dave]

I'm thinking that expressing that which one thinks.... and the reasons for thinking so, is not necessarilly the same as declaring someone a failure.

It will be interesting to see how Obama keeps
the divisive democrats mouths and actions out of the way.
People like Sharpton and Jackson will meet the wall of shun.
Pelosi and others will have to work with Rep. as will Harry Reid.
Reid is going to have to be more consiliatory, or I think he
might be asked by the Democrats to step aside as the new
president has a job to do... and it does not involve creating hatred.

The man has been elected by the mainstream. For those that
think the country is going to become a socialist-leftist country
you have got a big suprise coming. Obama is already trying to get
Clinton's man that made the big welfare cuts, etc... on board.

Obama might have more difficulty with the left of his own party.
I would not be suprised to see him referred to as an Uncle Tom
after things all get sorted out and he gets down to work.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In regards to Bush I meant on here. Had he been a democrat, I can only imagine the things that would have been said about him.

While 46% don't agree, I think it's a leap of faith to think that that whole number doesn't agree with his policies. Whether we like it or not, there is a percentage of this country that would never have voted for him, based on his skin color. Just like we know that some people voted for him completely based on color and probably have no idea what his policies are. I think you're giving people too much credit.

All I'm saying is, before we declare him a failure, can he at least be sworn in?

What i mean with the %'s is that it wont take much to lose the faith of the % in the so called middle that voted for him. He has promised much during a very tough time with uncertain changes on the horizon many beyond the control of Obama or the US in general. Whether you like or support Bush you have to admit that 9/11 changed the landscape and was impossible to forsee in 2000. I am making the assumption that being a one term president will be considered a failure. Even though he certainly wont be to blame for all that goes wrong, with a Democratic congress he wont have much leeway.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you need to do a little research. This was hardly a thrashing or were any epic proportions reached. Obama won with 53% of the popular vote. 22 states favored McCain. 56 million American citizens voted against Obama. 1956, 1964, 1972 or 1984, those were thrashings.

The electorals are what count my friend. It wasnt even close.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He may also surprise you too

No he won't. I don't think he is some kind of Messiah. I have said repeatedly that the winner of this election would be a one termer.

The only way he "surprises" me is if he does make it to a second term.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The electorals are what count my friend. It wasnt even close.

Compared to the last 2 elections it wasnt that close but it was hardly a runaway from an electoral standpoint. In 1988 GH Bush won the EC vote 411 to 111, in 1984 Reagan won the EC vote 525 to 13, in 1980 he won 489 to 49, in 1972 Nixon won 520 to 17, in 1964 Johnson won 486 to 52. Those are epic stompings. How do you expect us to educate Scavs on elections and the political system if you keep giving him hyperbole instead of truth?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Trial lawyers, unions, Oprah, Rather, Ted Kennedy, etc are happy then people like me should not be because they are polar opposites on virtually every issue to business owners and people like me.

Wish I had a business as successful as Winfrey's. Richest self-made woman billionaire in the world.

Finally, a smart, intellectual president. As one of the lifelong Republican women that helped vote Obama into office, I'm thrilled and excited and damn glad he won.

Quick, someone call Caribou Barbie, tell her Sarkozy is on the phone and has a position in the French government she can fill ...

PS - one of my GOP friends swears he's gonna just load up the guns and hide in the bunker for the next four years ....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wish I had a business as successful as Winfrey's. Richest self-made woman billionaire in the world.

Finally, a smart, intellectual president. As one of the lifelong Republican women that helped vote Obama into office, I'm thrilled and excited and damn glad he won.

Quick, someone call Caribou Barbie, tell her Sarkozy is on the phone and has a position in the French government she can fill ...

PS - one of my GOP friends swears he's gonna just load up the guns and hide in the bunker for the next four years ....

Being a billionaire doesnt make your politics and views kosher with everyone. see George Soros or Jerry Jones

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Even though he certainly wont be to blame for all that goes wrong, with a Democratic congress he wont have much leeway.

I think he is going to lay down the law fairly early to
those Democrats, while he still has the Democratic
mandate. Some of the democrats further left that
just like to make trouble are going to see some discipline
interjected while it still works. Imo Obama very clearly
understands the mess we are in.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Being a billionaire doesnt make your politics and views kosher with everyone. see George Soros or Jerry Jones

No, but it probably makes you not "anti-business"

Seriously, you want in on the GOP bunker?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, but it probably makes you not "anti-business"

Seriously, you want in on the GOP bunker?

Billionaires are isolated from policies that effect businesses and hence they sometimes have extreme views from the guilt they feel from their own fortune.

Unlike some I refuse to believe the most liberal member of Congress is suddenly going to move to the center especially with majorities in the House and Senate. Because he IS smart I may be correct in guessing that he has outsmarted many that believe the hype. "Redistribute the wealth" is not a term that he has backdown from or is afraid to say. That one line in itself should say it all about where we are headed.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Agreed. McCain is a good man, whether you supported him or not, and he just showed it in a very big way.

First, I was not a supporter of this ticket. However, Andy I agree McCain is a good man, a war hero, a fine public servant. This speech was the real John McCain. In my opinion, he got terrible advice in the choices in personell, and tactics he used in this campaign. Karl Rove's old cronies along with the choice of Sarah Palin, kept this from being a closer race. I still have alot of respect for John McCain, it was a great speech, from a true patriot.