Prince of Change reaches for dangerous 'retreads! - Page 8

Antitrust32 · #**141** 11-25-2008, 04:52 PM

^^^

oh by the way I am extremely biased about the Ireland/England thing so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

(yay Ireland)

timmgirvan · #**142** 11-25-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I believe the IRA vs England / Northern Ireland has more to do with England invading Ireland and basically making the population go from 8,000,000 to 1,000,000 (immigrating to the USA and dead from potato famine) and THEN England decided to keep the top part of Ireland...

Sure Irish are Catholics and English are Protestants but I dont believe the hatred is caused by the religion.

thank you...that's basically what I meant...the right to govern oneself.

Antitrust32 · #**143** 11-25-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

and that's why you'll always be a small "g"

What would make me a Homie "g"??

#**144** 11-25-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

and that's why you'll always be a small "g"

And this is basically why one does not partake in religious discussions
at tea parties. One reaches a point where the rift leads to a complete
inability to carry on.

God tries to convince you to look at the big picture,
and you try to convince god (God) to take a moral stand
based on your belief system that came through religion...
A stout belief that does not allow excursions off the trail
you have been walking for a long time.

Impass.
Call in Kissinger.

timmgirvan · #**145** 11-25-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Here we go with you seeking pity again. You make an ass out of yourself....again and now you want to use me to try and drum up pity. Are you serious?

Did I call anyone a name? I said you are coming off like a lunatic with your religion stuff. It's cult-like as another poster mentioned. The drugs part is just plain funny. Especially because that's something you said to me, not me to you.

YOU are the one that is judging. You're judging Somer and his beliefs. Accountability Dimmy. No way you can try and push this off on me. I've kept my mouth shut for a good part of this debate. Take some responsibility for what comes out of your mouth.

I'm not pushing this on you...I sure as hell don't need pity because of your rantings. Is every drug comment about you? you seem to think so. I'm not judging Somer...I'm asking him to stick up for whatever he believes in, because he has a 'bent' against Christianity

timmgirvan · #**146** 11-25-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

What would make me a Homie "g"??

Tats...cutoffs...hat backwards...shades...that kinda thing.....maybe a posse

#**147** 11-25-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

^^^

oh by the way I am extremely biased about the Ireland/England thing so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

(yay Ireland)

I stand by my prior post.
Goes way back.
Distrusting long standing differences.

Many Protestants still have a great distrust of
Catholics and their Pope. Protestants dont believe
the Pope has a direct phone line to God. Protestants
have preachers who tell them to read the bible for
themselves while all the time intepreting it for them.

Quite comical.

timmgirvan · #**148** 11-25-2008, 05:07 PM

[quote=somerfrost]

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I have been defending my positions although I must admit, you have been doing a better job than I can by the content of your arguments. Again, using a typo to poke fun at my beliefs...you are getting near the bottom of the pitcher. You are well aware of my faith, yet you ask me to defend it...no, you aren't entitled to that. Ask me any specific question and I'll answer if I deem appropriate. Hell, I'm not asking you to post a verbatum copy of the Bible! You want to have insight into Witchcraft....google it!

Stop it! you're starting to screech

timmgirvan · #**149** 11-25-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I stand by my prior post.
Goes way back.
Distrusting long standing differences.

Many Protestants still have a great distrust of
Catholics and their Pope. Protestants dont believe
the Pope has a direct phone line to God. Protestants
have preachers who tell them to read the bible for
themselves while all the time intepreting it for them.

Quite comical.

Succinct(for once) and well said. nice jub

#**150** 11-25-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Succinct(for once) and well said. nice jub

I have never been accused of making things
clear and to the point on this board.
I will stick with Physics. Much easier.

timmgirvan · #**151** 11-25-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I have never been accused of making things
clear and to the point on this board.
I will stick with Physics. Much easier.

great insight too.

#**152** 11-25-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

great insight too.

You want it, you got it buster...

Attachment 1103

My ability to run on is unmatched.

timmgirvan · #**153** 11-25-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

You want it, you got it buster...

Attachment 1103

My ability to run on is unmatched.

True dat, Mr P!

somerfrost · #**154** 11-25-2008, 06:18 PM

Timm,
To end on a positive note (for you anyway), if I'm wrong, I'll end up like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp9z-9RdwwM

Peace....

timmgirvan · #**155** 11-25-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Timm,
To end on a positive note (for you anyway), if I'm wrong, I'll end up like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp9z-9RdwwM

Peace....

Somer: that wouldn't a positive for me, regardless of your bias. Peace to
you also.

Danzig · #**156** 11-25-2008, 06:54 PM

[quote=timmgirvan]

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Selective answers always from you! We can always take the discussion of faith to PM. In any event, your answers are always replete with some fear crap about the religious right. Well it appears that your fearless leader(or clueless) is getting ready to crush the 2nd amendment, and his SOS will take things away from us for our own good(her words) Accuracy?? please tell me what the Wiccan faith has done in 12,000 years to better humanity? ZIP NADA ZILCH....but don't take that personally. No comment about the main text of my post?? I thought not!

how dare you judge someone due to their faith?! does that somehow make you 'christian'? where did jesus teach your approach to others who don't have your viewpoint regarding religion?

and i don't feel it's a religion that makes things better (crusades, inquisition anyone??) but it's good people who make things better. but i guess using your narrow minded pov, only christians can be 'good'? gimme a break.

Danzig · #**157** 11-25-2008, 06:58 PM

[quote=timmgirvan]

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

yada yada yada...same BS you been spoutin since ESPN days. What the hell do you believe then? btw...It is Faith that makes people better...I'll dumb it down for you...a moral code!! If you don't have something that anchors you, or guides you, then you're liable to fall for anything that tickles your ears....or sustains your actions.

no it's not. some have no faith at all, but are good, moral, upright citizens...while prisons are replete with those who the neighbors thought 'were fine, churchgoing, god fearing men and women'. faith gurantees nothing, nor does lack of faith.

Danzig · #**158** 11-25-2008, 07:03 PM

[quote=timmgirvan]

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Originally Posted by pgardn

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.

and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

Danzig · #**159** 11-25-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you believe christianity is the true faith and islam false.

but if you were born in afghanistan you would believe just the opposite.

moral behavior arises from empathy, not faith. you don't have to believe in god to have a moral code. i'd rather face an empathetic athiest in a dark alley than anyone who rely's on a moral code imposed by an invisble giant.

humanity has believed in thousands of gods throughout history and most christians have no problem laughing off all those prior beliefs.

i'd suggest taking that just one god further and we'd all be better off.

Danzig · #**160** 11-25-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I believe the IRA vs England / Northern Ireland has more to do with England invading Ireland and basically making the population go from 8,000,000 to 1,000,000 (immigrating to the USA and dead from potato famine) and THEN England decided to keep the top part of Ireland...

Sure Irish are Catholics and English are Protestants but I dont believe the hatred is caused by the religion.

england and ireland have been fighting over the irish territories since william the conqueror/1066, back when it was all catholics. way more to it then religion.