The sad cost of war

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

>> As the Obama administration expands U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, military experts are warning that the United States is taking on security and political commitments that will last at least a decade and a cost that will probably eclipse that of the Iraq war.

The President was elected on the promise of pulling out of Iraq and expanding into Afghanistan.

well, by god, then spend away....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

"I'm furious about Congress wanting to approve additional airplanes over what is being asked for - have you seen this story in the past couple days? I definitely have to start writing my Congressmen on this one. Yes, it's a small part of the budget overall, but it adds up."

yeah, obama wants to cut the f-22 for the navy, but wants to give the air force a plane they don't want. i haven't read the details, but i'd venture a guess they're made by two different contractors, and a senator wants the latter for his contractor....

I am talking about the airplanes Congress is getting for themselves - for taxpayer funded travel of Congressmen.

Yes, the F-22 should be cut, the Navy doesn't even want it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I am talking about the airplanes Congress is getting for themselves - for taxpayer funded travel of Congressmen.

Yes, the F-22 should be cut, the Navy doesn't even want it.

i just looked up about the f-22...it was for the air force, not the navy. they're looking to move to the f-35 soon anyway. but i found it interesting that gates said they needed the money saved for the wars in iraq and afganistan. but i thought we were getting out of iraq?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you talking about now? What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the video I posted. I have no idea what she (Pelosi) thinks now (today), kind of like what 'is' means but a week ago it appears to me she was calling the well dressed old people showing up and God forbid dissenting from Obama's health care plan astroturf and swastika carrying shills. Like they can't possibly have an opinion opposite of her. She still needs to fess up on the whole CIA lie IMO.

[Danzig]

Chamber of Commerce opposes Obama's plans
Group emerges as big defender of private sector against presidential ideas



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32347257...s-white_house/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Chamber of Commerce opposes Obama's plans
Group emerges as big defender of private sector against presidential ideas



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32347257...s-white_house/

wow another well dressed shill. Bet he has a swastika on his undershirt LMAO

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

wow another well dressed shill. Bet he has a swastika on his undershirt LMAO

So tell me, Dell - do you think every American is entitled to get excellent healthcare?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

So tell me, Dell - do you think every American is entitled to get excellent healthcare?

substitute buy for get and YES otherwise NO.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So tell me, Dell - do you think every American is entitled to get excellent healthcare?

arguing the merits of the govt health care plan doesn't mean one thinks some should not be entitled to health care. i've interviewed people for jobs where i work, and unfailingly they say oh great when i say they can get health care. then when it comes time to apply for it, they turn it down. they want it, but they don't want to pay their (minute) part of the premium to get it. and then i get to hear how life isn't fair when they have to go to the emergency room.


one lady finally got it a year or so after she started working there-which meant she fell under the pre-existing clauses. a couple years later, and i still have to hear her complain how the ins won't pay for something that she got treated for before getting her coverage.
what worries me about any proposed plan is what happened in hawaii. they passed a plan to cover more kids, so a lot of folks who had coverage for their children cancelled and put them on the state plan, thus bankrupting it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

substitute buy for get and YES otherwise NO.

So, I must presume you are in favor of Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans benefits being rescinded, and we stop paying for health care for our fellow Americans that cannot afford it.

That would save us alot of money regarding the deficit.

Those people that can't afford the most expensive, overpriced, controlled health care in the world can just get sick and die, right?

If you lose your job, that means you can get sick or injured and not get treatment, too. You'd better hope the rest of your life goes perfectly, and you retire a very rich person

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

arguing the merits of the govt health care plan doesn't mean one thinks some should not be entitled to health care.

It apparently does for Dell. That's why I asked.

[Danzig]

[quote=Riot]The job loss picture is slowing, stablizing. Those are the facts, based upon current data.
QUOTE]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32349809...s_and_economy/


Though the unemployment rate dipped to 9.4 percent in July — its first drop in 15 months — economists predict it will start climbing again. Many, including people in the Obama administration and at the Fed, say it could still top 10 percent this year.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32314827...n_the_economy/


even if the economy quickly returned to the peak job creation performance of 2007, when the economy was adding roughly 400,000 new jobs a month, it would take more than two years to rehire the 7 million workers who lost their jobs to the recession.

Few economists expect a return to those 2007 growth levels any time soon.



you might want to wait for more than one weeks happy headlines before you start thinking we're out of trouble.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They want to know the false claims out there. It's not like they are gunna prosecute people for telling lies about health care. They just want to know what trash they've got to pick up. The party had a V.P. Candidate telling lies the whole 2nd half of the campaign(remember Palin said OBAMA was gunna raise taxes on people making all the way down to 150k...these are not people that are interested in truth....they just want their way.) Yesterday I saw some fat White Trash interrupt a Congressman when he said "let me tell you the facts."

White Trash Momma: "No!!"

(congressman keeps trying to talk)

White Trash Momma: ..Why?"

They aren't interested in communication. They are interested in simply disruption.

So what was Palin's lie? Cap and trade will be a big regressive tax that will hit people hardest who make well under $150/k a year. Same with healthcare. But the Obominator will smile and assure people their taxes won't go up. Just who in the hell do you think is going to pay for these policies that could bankrupt the country? I guess it will be the so-called white trash America that you speak of. Sounds like some racist issues on your part.

[Cannon Shell]

One of the biggest problems that our society has is that it is too willing to trust the mainstream media in regards to issues of the day. Far too many people dont have the patience or intellegence to actually understand what they are being fed is crap. At some point the news media stopped being journalists that took responsibility for what it reported and has morphed into what it is now which is more Pravda style. If Riot lived in N Korea she would believe that Kim Il Jong could kick Tiger Woods ass on the golf course.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...rea_06_16.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

One of the biggest problems that our society has is that it is too willing to trust the mainstream media in regards to issues of the day. Far too many people dont have the patience or intellegence to actually understand what they are being fed is crap. At some point the news media stopped being journalists that took responsibility for what it reported and has morphed into what it is now which is more Pravda style. If Riot lived in N Korea she would believe that Kim Il Jong could kick Tiger Woods ass on the golf course.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...rea_06_16.html

No argument but personal insult left, huh?

[Riot]

[quote=Danzig
you might want to wait for more than one weeks happy headlines before you start thinking we're out of trouble.[/QUOTE]

I never said we were out of trouble. It will take 2-4 years until we are out of trouble. It will take a long time until jobs come back. The positives are that we haven't dropped off the "let's ignore it and let business find it's own level" cliff into the second great Depression, nor is the recession currently deeping. It appears at this time to be holding steady, with small positive indicators here and there.

We still haven't seen the credit card crash, nor commerical real estate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No argument but personal insult left, huh?

Just pointing out the facts

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I never said we were out of trouble. It will take 2-4 years until we are out of trouble. It will take a long time until jobs come back. The positives are that we haven't dropped off the "let's ignore it and let business find it's own level" cliff into the second great Depression, nor is the recession currently deeping. It appears at this time to be holding steady, with small positive indicators here and there.

We still haven't seen the credit card crash, nor commerical real estate.

Ok that last part was a joke right?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Ok that last part was a joke right?

Why? Other than the typo, what's funny about the commercial real estate mortgage market crashing, just as the residential market did?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why? Other than the typo, what's funny about the commercial real estate mortgage market crashing, just as the residential market did?

I misunderstood u as the commercial property market may have been more affected than the residential market. But those who had their eggs in one basket (a home they couldn't afford and those commercial investors leveraged to the hilt) can testify.