Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #141  
Old 10-03-2009, 10:50 PM
the_fat_man's Avatar
the_fat_man the_fat_man is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,676
Default

When Interpatation changed back to lefty lead, around midstretch, his action was so bad that it appeared he was about to fall on his face. Then, we saw just about the UGLIEST lefty lead, the rest of the stretch, that I've seen in over 30 years of watching races. YET, he was able to, basically, BLOW BY Gio Ponti late. What a ****in' joke of a race. I lost all respect for GP after this one. Good horses just aren't supposed to lose that way. This was just UGLY.
Reply With Quote
  #142  
Old 10-03-2009, 11:13 PM
letswastemoney's Avatar
letswastemoney letswastemoney is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Turlock, CA
Posts: 2,561
Default

I too thought Interpretation was about to fall down when he switched leads.
Reply With Quote
  #143  
Old 10-03-2009, 11:38 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_fat_man
When Interpatation changed back to lefty lead, around midstretch, his action was so bad that it appeared he was about to fall on his face. Then, we saw just about the UGLIEST lefty lead, the rest of the stretch, that I've seen in over 30 years of watching races. YET, he was able to, basically, BLOW BY Gio Ponti late. What a ****in' joke of a race. I lost all respect for GP after this one. Good horses just aren't supposed to lose that way. This was just UGLY.
Fat Charts have interpatations winning in a windsheild wiper wipe out?
Reply With Quote
  #144  
Old 10-03-2009, 11:40 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I too thought Interpretation was about to fall down when he switched leads.
When you are stumbling in 27 what is the difference what your action looks like or what lead you are on. Just a pathetic horse race, but congrats to the connections...well done..Get the F out of hear that horse is a friggin pig
Reply With Quote
  #145  
Old 10-04-2009, 12:37 AM
VOL JACK's Avatar
VOL JACK VOL JACK is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: @VOLJACK79
Posts: 2,578
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddymo
Fat Charts have interpatations winning in a windsheild wiper wipe out?
Reply With Quote
  #146  
Old 10-04-2009, 06:04 AM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,762
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I too thought Interpretation was about to fall down when he switched leads.
I thought he took a bad step there and thought for sure the race was over... Do you think Ramon took his foot off the pedal once he got the lead.
Reply With Quote
  #147  
Old 10-04-2009, 08:37 AM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_fat_man
When Interpatation changed back to lefty lead, around midstretch, his action was so bad that it appeared he was about to fall on his face. Then, we saw just about the UGLIEST lefty lead, the rest of the stretch, that I've seen in over 30 years of watching races. YET, he was able to, basically, BLOW BY Gio Ponti late. What a ****in' joke of a race. I lost all respect for GP after this one. Good horses just aren't supposed to lose that way. This was just UGLY.

you don't think the soft bog had anything at all to do with gio pontis race? i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.
Reply With Quote
  #148  
Old 10-04-2009, 09:12 AM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig
you don't think the soft bog had anything at all to do with gio pontis race? i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.
He had a great year, but most of the horses he beat are simply not that good. Where does he go from here? I doubt he can win the BCC and I would not touch him going 1 1/2 in the turf.
Reply With Quote
  #149  
Old 10-04-2009, 09:22 AM
Gander Gander is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,336
Default

Best chance and really the most logical race for Gio Ponti is the Classic.
I dont care what the conditions were yesterday, no excuse for him not to go by the overmatched Interpretation. How can you use the bog as an excuse when it clearly didnt bother him up until the point he hung after he got by Interpretation? I mean if he hated the turf so much how come he even got himself up and past Interpretation? I think the distance got him beat.
Reply With Quote
  #150  
Old 10-04-2009, 09:24 AM
parsixfarms parsixfarms is offline
Churchill Downs
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Saratoga Springs
Posts: 1,779
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He had a great year, but most of the horses he beat are simply not that good. Where does he go from here? I doubt he can win the BCC and I would not touch him going 1 1/2 in the turf.
Yesterday's race doesn't say much about his ability to get 12F at Santa Anita, where the first half mile of the race will be run downhill. He got 11F nicely in the Man O War; yesterday's boggy course, leading to a final time of 2:41, was as "heavy" as the turf will ever be here.
Reply With Quote
  #151  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:02 AM
LARHAGE's Avatar
LARHAGE LARHAGE is offline
Hawthorne
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 545
Default

I thought Dominguez pulled the trigger too soon on Gio Ponti, when Telling ranged up on his outside he sent GP, kind of like he did in The Arlington Million, the heavy going and extra distance coupled with the premature move hurt him, I don't think I'd dismiss him in the Turf, if Dominguez would quit riding so wide, and moving too soon, he'll be right there at Santa Anita.
Reply With Quote
  #152  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:10 AM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Yesterday's race doesn't say much about his ability to get 12F at Santa Anita, where the first half mile of the race will be run downhill. He got 11F nicely in the Man O War; yesterday's boggy course, leading to a final time of 2:41, was as "heavy" as the turf will ever be here.
I dont give Gio Ponti much of a chance to win any Breeders Cup race, He might be best sutied for the mile, but he would not even be the horse to beat there....
Reply With Quote
  #153  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:23 AM
Left Bank's Avatar
Left Bank Left Bank is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Southern Canada
Posts: 1,566
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I dont give Gio Ponti much of a chance to win any Breeders Cup race, He might be best sutied for the mile, but he would not even be the horse to beat there....
So who will be the horse to beat there?
Reply With Quote
  #154  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:26 AM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Left Bank
So who will be the horse to beat there?

Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.
Reply With Quote
  #155  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:33 AM
3kings's Avatar
3kings 3kings is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,495
Default

Is it possible that Gio Ponti wasn't on go for this? The big race is next month (whichever they choose) and they could have been using this as a prep. That being said, even as a prep, he should have run past his rival today.
Reply With Quote
  #156  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:40 AM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default

Is it possible that everyone's ignoring that that race was run under some of the most ridiculous conditions in the history of American racing? Is it possible that Gio Ponti is nowhere near a 12 furlong horse and certainly not the 14 or so that yesterday's race played like?

I understand that he's supposed to run right by Interpatation but one thing that Interpatation had proved he was was a stayer.

I would put slightly above 0 stock in that performance in terms of analyzing Gio Ponti. I also love him cutting back in the Classic and I think that was the intent all along.

NT
Reply With Quote
  #157  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:42 AM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gander
Best chance and really the most logical race for Gio Ponti is the Classic.
I dont care what the conditions were yesterday, no excuse for him not to go by the overmatched Interpretation. How can you use the bog as an excuse when it clearly didnt bother him up until the point he hung after he got by Interpretation? I mean if he hated the turf so much how come he even got himself up and past Interpretation? I think the distance got him beat.

perhaps class and ability got him as far as it did, but you can't ignore a turf horses likes and dislikes and the cut in the ground. a horse who likes firm turf will often get beat when there's too much cut, and that may well have been what cost gio the win yesterday. the horse has done to well up to yesterday to stick a fork in him after one race-especially considering the track. it may well turn out the distance got him beat-or maybe it was the turf. he's worth another chance imo.
Reply With Quote
  #158  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:44 AM
3kings's Avatar
3kings 3kings is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,495
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Is it possible that everyone's ignoring that that race was run under some of the most ridiculous conditions in the history of American racing? Is it possible that Gio Ponti is nowhere near a 12 furlong horse and certainly not the 14 or so that yesterday's race played like?

I understand that he's supposed to run right by Interpatation but one thing that Interpatation had proved he was was a stayer.

I would put slightly above 0 stock in that performance in terms of analyzing Gio Ponti. I also love him cutting back in the Classic and I think that was the intent all along.

NT
That is what I was insinuating with the post above yours.
Reply With Quote
  #159  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:47 AM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.


this makes absolutely no sense. exactly what type of logic do you use to decide that one horse has an excusable effort, while another does not? if goldikova is worthy of benefit of the doubt, i would expect the same could be said about gio ponti.
Reply With Quote
  #160  
Old 10-04-2009, 10:47 AM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.


double post
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.