U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thank you! Now, that wasn't hard, was it? Yes, I bow to those numbers.

It is for Iraq, however. Can you find anything regarding Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, etc - where most of AQ defected to? (Edit, saw your other posts).

ok so the fact that the vast majority of terrorists left Iraq because of US success there doesnt count I suppose?

[Riot]

From a May 08 story. Refutes what you were saying about Bush not pursuing in other countries.

I agree, yes, it does.


Of course, we don't know if we have all the information, or if that information is true .....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Four more years!!

i will have rock hard ten pick the pack through the playoffs..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree, yes, it does.


Of course, we don't know if we have all the information, or if that information is true .....

We dont have all the info however the info that we do have shows that your premise was incorrect when based upon known data.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We dont have all the info however the info that we do have shows that your premise was incorrect when based upon known data.

Yes, as I said, I agree.

I was making fun of your argument about the incidents I posted possibly not being true.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, as I said, I agree.

I was making fun of your argument about the incidents I posted possibly not being true.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Absolutely

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i will have rock hard ten pick the pack through the playoffs..

have him pick against the terrorist. i laugh at the whole sorry situation. lets see..there were about 10 million people traveling during the holiday and one moron got on a plane with the equivelant of a bag of microwave popcorn. yeah, these guys are good..... . it causes a national uprising for weeks. we will spend another trillion being scared, blame this guy or the guy before or maybe my daddy is going to hold my hand through life because the world is such a perfect place. i don't know if people are cowards or just plain morons. but i get a kick out of c-span when some goober calls in and says the "terrorist" are going to get us, of course the guy lives in east bum arkansas. yeah buddy, take cover they're coming for you. the hysteria, the media and the politicians reactions are hilarious too. excuse me , i got to go out and buy plastic sheeting, ductape and a gas mask....lol

[SOREHOOF]

They play this up so "We the People" will give them more of our power and freedom. As long as Napolatano is surprised by Al Quadas "determination" we won't be able to count on our Big Brother Govt. to protect anything.

[SOREHOOF]

Just read this guy is going to be offered a plea deal in exchange for info on his contacts. Oh Boy!
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...s_not_guilty/1
We are kinder and gentler now. None of that nasty waterboarding for this guy. They should have withheld his pain meds to get his "cooperation". He would have been spilling his guts.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

it causes a national uprising for weeks. we will spend another trillion being scared

That's why it's called "terrorism" You're right, we shouldn't feed into it. Ireland used to just get on with their daily lives, as we should. That's why I'm glad to see underwear bomber being treated like a common trashy criminal in the locked silence and stern view of a federal court (no public platform there opportunity there), versus being elevated to some attempted martyr jihad warrior.

Some news org was replaying Osama bin Laden talking from back just after 9-11, saying how he was going to distract the US by threat of attack, and hound us into bankruptcy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Just read this guy is going to be offered a plea deal in exchange for info on his contacts. Oh Boy!
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...s_not_guilty/1
We are kinder and gentler now. None of that nasty waterboarding for this guy. They should have withheld his pain meds to get his "cooperation". He would have been spilling his guts.

The kid apparently has been spilling his guts freely, talking about other attacks pending (why Obama immediately changed security to profiling). Heard on news tonight the FBI is already in Ghana, looking for who trained him.

Reid (shoebomber) pleaded guilty to less numerous, and lesser charges, this kid has more charges, more serious charges (terrorism, etc). This kid will get one life in prison sentence via plea rather than four concurrent ones.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's why it's called "terrorism" You're right, we shouldn't feed into it. Ireland used to just get on with their daily lives, as we should. That's why I'm glad to see underwear bomber being treated like a common trashy criminal in the locked silence and stern view of a federal court (no public platform there opportunity there), versus being elevated to some attempted martyr jihad warrior.

Some news org was replaying Osama bin Laden talking from back just after 9-11, saying how he was going to distract the US by threat of attack, and hound us into bankruptcy.

you are so right. they can't beat us. they can kill some of us but we can CRUSH them. the thing is they know this but we don't. they know the best way of beating us is SCARING us into bankruptcy or worse losing our freedom because cowards out there will fold. don't get me wrong 9/11 was bad, but c'mon box cutters and our own planes. the government should just fess up, at the time our airport security SUCKED....thats how they did it. don't make a bunch of criminal, cowardly morons hiding in sh^tholes out to be the threat of the world. i'm glad some are being tried here, drag their asses down through times square for all i care, handcuffed and shackled for the world to see. this being afraid of them is just BS nonsense. one moron was on tv saying we should use the word terrorist more....for what...to scare the old ladies and fools out there. i might get hit by a drunk driver today or lightning or a heart attack or about a million things but getting killed by one of these idiots is probably at the bottom of the list. yet, some crybaby will be complaining about "terrorist" as they light another cigerette or take another pill.....yeah, you better worry about those terrorist you also weigh about 300 pounds you moron!!!!!!! THE MESSAGE SHOULD OF BEEN, WE WILLL INCREASE OUR SECURITY, HUNT YOU DOWN LIKE DOGS AND CHANGE NOTHI NG ABOUT THE WAY WE LIVE. THAT WOULD BE LEADERSHIP. INSTEAD WE GET, GO SHOPPING FROM THE FIRST GUY AND SPEND (LIVES) and A TRILLION IN IRAQ AND FROM THE OTHER GUY ITS "WE ARE WORKING ON IT", THIS IS 8 YEARS LATER. does anyone ever wonder what kind of people we vote for? oh yeah and don't forget about all of those other "CORRUPT" countries out there, none of that here......lol

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Just read this guy is going to be offered a plea deal in exchange for info on his contacts. Oh Boy!
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...s_not_guilty/1
We are kinder and gentler now. None of that nasty waterboarding for this guy. They should have withheld his pain meds to get his "cooperation". He would have been spilling his guts.

had they treated him as an enemy combatant (war on terror and all that) they wouldn't have had to read him miranda, and he wouldn't have been able to lawyer up-he'd have been sent to a military base and held like a soldier of war. but now we have him lawyer up, has the right to remain silent, etc. we may already have gotten every bit of info from him-but now it all will plod slowly thru the court system.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

had they treated him as an enemy combatant (war on terror and all that) they wouldn't have had to read him miranda, and he wouldn't have been able to lawyer up-he'd have been sent to a military base and held like a soldier of war. but now we have him lawyer up, has the right to remain silent, etc. we may already have gotten every bit of info from him-but now it all will plod slowly thru the court system.

C'mon, that's not true. It didn't happen for the previous terrorists Bush tried and convicted - quickly - in Federal Court, and it won't happen here. Big deal, he has a lawyer - who has already admitted publically there is no defense. He's already talked, talked, talked, talked. He's going down, quickly, into prison forever, goodbye, no TV for you, no attention, just like the rest of them.

You want to give him Geneva Convention rights? For Al Quaeda? Nonsense.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

C'mon, that's not true. It didn't happen for the previous terrorists Bush tried and convicted - quickly - in Federal Court, and it won't happen here. Big deal, he has a lawyer - who has already admitted publically there is no defense. He's already talked, talked, talked, talked. He's going down, quickly, into prison forever, goodbye, no TV for you, no attention, just like the rest of them.

You want to give him Geneva Convention rights? For Al Quaeda? Nonsense.

either this is a war, or it's not. we didn't charge every nazi soldier in ww2, did we? absolutely not. now, if it's not a war, what the hell are we doing in iraq and afganistan? if it's all criminally handled, then cut the bs and pull everyone out of those two countries and let them work it out. as for what bush did, your constant references to him, who no longer has anything to do with what's going on currently, are tiresome, boring, and a completely different subject.
also, we still have plenty of enemy combatants at gitmo and elsewhere. this admin is being inconsistent. if it's a war, they are combatants, if it's not, end the 'wars' overseas now.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

C'mon, that's not true. It didn't happen for the previous terrorists Bush tried and convicted - quickly - in Federal Court, and it won't happen here. Big deal, he has a lawyer - who has already admitted publically there is no defense. He's already talked, talked, talked, talked. He's going down, quickly, into prison forever, goodbye, no TV for you, no attention, just like the rest of them.

You want to give him Geneva Convention rights? For Al Quaeda? Nonsense.

Bush Bush Bush. Illegal combatants captured trying to commit a war crime against hundreds of civilians can be shot under Geneva Convention. It's their right.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Bush Bush Bush. Illegal combatants captured trying to commit a war crime against hundreds of civilians can be shot under Geneva Convention. It's their right.

it's funny when i see people say 'why should they get geneva rights'. i don't think some realize what the rules under the geneva conventions entail. it certainly doesn't offer the right to remain silent-all it does is hopefully keep things like andersonville from happening, or the bataan death march. on the other hand, geneva has rules about dealing with soldiers in a military court; it doens't give them u.s. constitutional rights- i doubt you read miranda to every soldier who is captured!

also, under geneva, enemy combatants can be held til the end of the war. no trial, no jury; they just sit and wait for the end of the fighting. this guy could have been put under lock and key and kept there without any more press, no trial, no lawyers, no headlines-in other words, no attention like he will garner now. and what if, god forbid, he was to be set free under a technicality?! lol yippee, deported to try again.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

either this is a war, or it's not.

Which country have we declared war upon?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Bush Bush Bush. Illegal combatants captured trying to commit a war crime against hundreds of civilians can be shot under Geneva Convention. It's their right.

What country are we at war with?

Illegal activities in the past eight years? Ring a bell?

Yeah, Bush Bush Bush very successfully prosecuted multiple terrorists in the Federal Court system. It worked beautifully.