obama demands vote on health care..

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by gales0678

at some point we will not be able to sell bonds to china , japan ,etc etc to fund our defecits , what will happen then , we will get hyper-inflation where the gov't just prints $$$$ and more $$$$ , then the pension that you get each month nascar will buy a loaf of bread , it's sad but that is the direction we are heading unless the runaway spending stops

I agree with %100 my friend. Its a shame our country is going in that direction. What do you think should come first fix the economy or health care? Im leaning towards fixing the economy. Im sure the people who voted for O'Dumbass will say health care since they will benefit and get the free handout from the bill.

[Cannon Shell]

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with %100 my friend. Its a shame our country is going in that direction. What do you think should come first fix the economy or health care? Im leaning towards fixing the economy. Im sure the people who voted for O'Dumbass will say health care since they will benefit and get the free handout from the bill.

we need a healthcare bill , but, in my opinion , obama should have had his eye on the economy from day 1

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

A person like you is why there should be a draft. Obviously you could care less about the military. Yes I have heard of a 401k plan. Just because you didn't join the military doesnt mean I don't deserve to enjoy my retirement pay. People like me volunteered 20 years of our life so people like you don't get drafted!!!
BTW I enjoy my health insurance and am very happy I dont have to deal with Obamacare. He can take that bill and shove it you know where.

Ok you have officially confused yourself- well done. I never said anything about caring or not caring about the military. OF COURSE I care about the military. For the record, if there were a draft I would be proud to serve my country to protect our ideals. However, don't lie to me, you did not join the military so "people like me don't get drafted". You joined because (a) you're proud of your country and (b) it's excellent employment. One of those benefits of employment is a pension in retirement, which most Americans do not have anymore (especially in the private sector) as we continually move away from a corporate management culture that values it's employees and appreciates loyalty and tenure to their employer.

I did not vote for Obama, in fact, as I thought his programs in theory were too progressive. I did not vote for McCain, either, as quite frankly the thought of Palin as the President if McCain were to pass (a real possibility at his age and condition) scared me.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Major Philski!!!

"I'm just going to have to make sure you don't have any WMD's hidden in your bra or explosive implants... if you could kindly remove your top please so I can inspect them"

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by gales0678

we need a healthcare bill , but, in my opinion , obama should have had his eye on the economy from day 1

Thank you.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

we need a healthcare bill , but, in my opinion , obama should have had his eye on the economy from day 1

Well..fortunately for all of us , he did. Otherwise we would be in a much bigger hole than we are now.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Thank you.

WTF do you care? You have your free ride from your 20 years in the Military. It's the best pension plan there is and it's all government and citizen supported. And..as I always say...you guys deserve it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

WTF do you care? You have your free ride from your 20 years in the Military. It's the best pension plan there is and it's all government and citizen supported. And..as I always say...you guys deserve it.

far from a free ride. it's not exactly an easy life.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

far from a free ride. it's not exactly an easy life.

Well I know my cousin is getting out of the military in less than a year after just a few years in it, one year in Iraq (no small deal), and he'll be going to college on our dime and having a stipend.

It's a valiant and honorable path to choose...and not one I would certainly choose...but it's the idea that Nascar is totally against handouts, while b*tching that his handout didn't increase this year to his satisfaction that is what gets people going. Nobody here will be caught saying that these people don't deserve to be taken care of for their service...quite the opposite, but it's the fact that people like Nascar are so intellectually dishonest about their pension/health care/cost of living increases etc, while bemoaning anyone who gets a f*cking dime from the government is what borders on comical, because it's just a repeated chorus of "hey where is MY handout?!?!?!" against "hey wait, no WAY do YOU get a handout!"

It's pathetic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well I know my cousin is getting out of the military in less than a year after just a few years in it, one year in Iraq (no small deal), and he'll be going to college on our dime and having a stipend.

It's a valiant and honorable path to choose...and not one I would certainly choose...but it's the idea that Nascar is totally against handouts, while b*tching that his handout didn't increase this year to his satisfaction that is what gets people going. Nobody here will be caught saying that these people don't deserve to be taken care of for their service...quite the opposite, but it's the fact that people like Nascar are so intellectually dishonest about their pension/health care/cost of living increases etc, while bemoaning anyone who gets a f*cking dime from the government is what borders on comical, because it's just a repeated chorus of "hey where is MY handout?!?!?!" against "hey wait, no WAY do YOU get a handout!"

It's pathetic.

i believe the gi bill requires contributions from the serviceman, i don't think it's totally govt funded. as for going to college 'on our dime' it's part of the deal, certainly something i wouldn't argue about paying for. what gets me are the guys who go in, and then complain or go awol because they get orders to the front, and don't want to go. 'i joined for college, not to fight'.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well I know my cousin is getting out of the military in less than a year after just a few years in it, one year in Iraq (no small deal), and he'll be going to college on our dime and having a stipend.

It's a valiant and honorable path to choose...and not one I would certainly choose...but it's the idea that Nascar is totally against handouts, while b*tching that his handout didn't increase this year to his satisfaction that is what gets people going. Nobody here will be caught saying that these people don't deserve to be taken care of for their service...quite the opposite, but it's the fact that people like Nascar are so intellectually dishonest about their pension/health care/cost of living increases etc, while bemoaning anyone who gets a f*cking dime from the government is what borders on comical, because it's just a repeated chorus of "hey where is MY handout?!?!?!" against "hey wait, no WAY do YOU get a handout!"

It's pathetic.

Exactly

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

nascar just chill..do you like pets..would you care if your dog was hit by a car? i assume yes.then give the same share of compation to these sick and dying. thats what this country was founded on..civility..im ex military and it doesnt bother me a bit..get the corperate jacg bags with the huge scams and kickbacks ..thats who needs to go..or make them invest in horses..

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well I know my cousin is getting out of the military in less than a year after just a few years in it, one year in Iraq (no small deal), and he'll be going to college on our dime and having a stipend.

It's a valiant and honorable path to choose...and not one I would certainly choose...but it's the idea that Nascar is totally against handouts, while b*tching that his handout didn't increase this year to his satisfaction that is what gets people going. Nobody here will be caught saying that these people don't deserve to be taken care of for their service...quite the opposite, but it's the fact that people like Nascar are so intellectually dishonest about their pension/health care/cost of living increases etc, while bemoaning anyone who gets a f*cking dime from the government is what borders on comical, because it's just a repeated chorus of "hey where is MY handout?!?!?!" against "hey wait, no WAY do YOU get a handout!"

It's pathetic.

When have I said im totally against handouts? Im against people who can work but dont want to look for work. I do thank you for having respect for the miltary its nice to see that someone understands what the military goes through. If a person cant work because of medical conditions they should be taken care of. As I have said many times if you can work but you dont want to look for a job then why should that individual get the handout? How am I getting a handout? Did I not give up 20 years of my life so there is no draft? I earned my benefits of retirement. Just because there are many jealous people at what I have and they dont have I think is funny.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

nascar just chill..do you like pets..would you care if your dog was hit by a car? i assume yes.then give the same share of compation to these sick and dying. thats what this country was founded on..civility..im ex military and it doesnt bother me a bit..get the corperate jacg bags with the huge scams and kickbacks ..thats who needs to go..or make them invest in horses..

The major thing about this bill I am totally against is why should a person that can work get this insurance if they aren't trying to look for a job? Not once have I said that a person who has a medical condition shouldn't be taken care of. Its nice to see how people are trying to make me look like to be a bad guy. I am also totally against the illegals getting any part of this insurance.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

The major thing about this bill I am totally against is why should a person that can work get this insurance if they aren't trying to look for a job? Not once have I said that a person who has a medical condition shouldn't be taken care of. Its nice to see how people are trying to make me look like to be a bad guy. I am also totally against the illegals getting any part of this insurance.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=44

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=44

Did I not say in that post was about people who can work but arent looking for jobs dont deserve free insurance. When have I said a person doesnt deserve insurance if the have a pre existing condition EINSTEIN?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Exactly

Why dont you keep on kissing O'Dumbass @ss. Your another one who cant read.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i believe the gi bill requires contributions from the serviceman, i don't think it's totally govt funded. as for going to college 'on our dime' it's part of the deal, certainly something i wouldn't argue about paying for. what gets me are the guys who go in, and then complain or go awol because they get orders to the front, and don't want to go. 'i joined for college, not to fight'.

I don't argue paying for it either, don't argue having health care for them, hell, I don't argue having pensions for them if that's the case. But it's when someone is getting a good deal of government money, for ANY reason, decides that they're the only one worthy of getting a dime of it...that's when it gets ugly.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

When have I said im totally against handouts? Im against people who can work but dont want to look for work. I do thank you for having respect for the miltary its nice to see that someone understands what the military goes through. If a person cant work because of medical conditions they should be taken care of. As I have said many times if you can work but you dont want to look for a job then why should that individual get the handout? How am I getting a handout? Did I not give up 20 years of my life so there is no draft? I earned my benefits of retirement. Just because there are many jealous people at what I have and they dont have I think is funny.

Not exactly.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im paying taxes also in case you forgot. As far as healthy people paying more than the average or unhealthy person to me thats discrimination. Everyone should pay the same. Why should a healthy person have to support an unhealthy person? Its not thier fault a person is unhealthy. Bad luck on the unhealthy person. We always have people who want others to feel sorry for them or they want the free handouts. To me they are a taxpayer's burden and are worthless.

Nothing in there about working....all about 'too bad if you're unhealthy, I've already got my insurance, screw you.'