I need to listen to ATR more often

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That's when horseracing jumped the shark, when feelings came into play...

If RA wins her next couple of races impressively and she looks like she's doing well, I think they will run her in the BC Classic.

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Agree, if shes healthy shes at Churchill this year. Regardless of how good/deep the group is coming up, they will not skip the Classic.

Not a chance in hell....Mickey Mouse and Arnold the Pig could be the only entrants and she would still be watching from a CA stall....

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Somebody should print the list of people that Byk has shown extraordinary kindness and generosity to in this game. In fact, his biggest fault is being too nice.

He kinda comes off a bit wimpy, if anything.

I'm glad he read halfowitz the riot act. Especially since it was Halfowitz that started the interruptions and talking over bits.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'll bet you however much money you want when the time comes. Winning the BC Classic is much more important to them than beating Pepper's Pride's streak.

Let me get this straight.

You want to take the bet that she will run, but only once she's definitely going to run?

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

you aren't impressed with a filly winning the derby over the likes of forty niner, risen star, seeking the gold, private terms, brians time and others. but winning a race over gio ponti and twice over does impress you?

seems warped to me.

Open G1 contests with $5 million purses impress me FAR more than restricted crapshoots for very young animals on the first Sat in May.

Seems like some fillies mature quicker and can more easily compete with colts early in their 3-year-old seasons

Usually a different story later in the year or when they turn four

WC's front-running score in the Derby was commendable … but something she never could've duplicated in a race like the BCC.

Somehow I don't think Shirreffs would've been shaking in his boots at the prospect of facing an 8 for19 monster like WC … lol


More to say to the usual nitwits … but gotta run now

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Let me get this straight.

You want to take the bet that she will run, but only once she's definitely going to run?

As I said, if she wins her next couple of races and she doesn't get hurt, I am confident she will run. If she doesn't get hurt and she wins her next couple of races, I would be happy to make the bet. I wouldn't need to wait until after the entries are drawn. I'd make the bet a month before the race. That would give the Mosses plenty of time to back out since some people are so sure that they will back out.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

They're not going to run in the Breeders Cup Classic, quite simply, because 20 for 20 will be on the line, and if there's a chance she could lose, I'd bet a bazillion dollars they'll keep her in SoCal this November to go for that all-time mark.

After all the hemming and hawing about her schedule in the past, I don't know why it's suddenly a foregone conclusion that she'll be in Louisville this November.

You keep repeating that they won't run her in the Classic, but you got strangely quiet when I accepted your offer of a wager on the subject.

Here's your challenge:

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Dunbar, I will bet you that Zenyatta will not race again this year outside of the Pacific time zone. Name your price. Breeders Cup Classic on dirt? I laughed.

Here's how I responded:

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Given that you seem to think there is no chance she is running in the BC Classic, how about giving me 2-1? That should be pretty easy money for you, if you're so sure she's staying in California.

You asked me to name my price. I did. Hello? Is anyone there?

--Dunbar

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Somehow I don't think Shirreffs would've been shaking in his boots at the prospect of facing an 8 for19 monster like WC … lol

Just like he's not afraid of taking on the "highest mountain possible" that is Rail Trip.

NT

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Just like he's not afraid of taking on the "highest mountain possible" that is Rail Trip.

NT

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

Who knows, maybe the owner of Zardana will want to run there.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

And when she beats Rail Trip, you will see posts like well Rail Trip isn't Quality Road, let's be honest here no matter who she beats or has beaten thus far, this is the theme of her critics.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

And when she beats Rail Trip, you will see posts like well Rail Trip isn't Quality Road, let's be honest here no matter who she beats or has beaten thus far, this is the reoccurring of her critics.

It's nice you caught your mistake of saying "reoccurring them" and removed 'them' instead of changing 'them' to 'theme', but while you are at it, you might want to spell 'recurring' correctly.

Looks like you've had a smooth operation on your brain.

[Round Pen]

THe Comments at the bottom of the Paulick Report are Hilarious last I Looked there were 80+ and counting

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned Zenyatta would you be looking to face Rail Trip in what would figure to be a paceless race (and probably a 4 horse field) at his favorite track? I certainly wouldn't.

At this point I wouldn't care about getting my a.ss kissed running against fillies and mares and I'd actually look to challenge my mare. Of course, I would have taken her to Dubai without a doubt and told Jess Jackson, Charles Cella, and anyone else, the hell with your $5 million, I'm going to run for 10.

This is the problem that I have with this horse. Her fans are so fervent in their belief that she's so great that they're starting to believe what the connections say. If you think Zenyatta is the "greatest mare of your lifetime" and an all-time great, then how the hell do you leave her in the barn when a 10f (her supposed best distance) against a horse with a marginal resume is going on? It's absolutely ludicrous.

Besides, regarding your pace question, listen to Davidowitz, she's impervious to it. And as for CS, the chief green and pink flag waver, I'd be the first to say that Rail Trip is the best horse Zenyatta's beaten who was actually running on their preferred surface.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Besides, regarding your pace question, listen to Davidowitz, she's impervious to it. And as for CS, the chief green and pink flag waver, I'd be the first to say that Rail Trip is the best horse Zenyatta's beaten who was actually running on their preferred surface.

NT

CSC... to be fair the year isn't over after Delmar or the Spa unlike for some horses, you will reserve judgement to who she faces after these meets correct? Wouldn't this be fairer if you are to be truly critical of her campaign?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

At this point I wouldn't care about getting my a.ss kissed running against fillies and mares and I'd actually look to challenge my mare. Of course, I would have taken her to Dubai without a doubt and told Jess Jackson, Charles Cella, and anyone else, the hell with your $5 million, I'm going to run for 10.

This is the problem that I have with this horse. Her fans are so fervent in their belief that she's so great that they're starting to believe what the connections say. If you think Zenyatta is the "greatest mare of your lifetime" and an all-time great, then how the hell do you leave her in the barn when a 10f (her supposed best distance) against a horse with a marginal resume is going on? It's absolutely ludicrous.

Besides, regarding your pace question, listen to Davidowitz, she's impervious to it. And as for CS, the chief green and pink flag waver, I'd be the first to say that Rail Trip is the best horse Zenyatta's beaten who was actually running on their preferred surface.

NT

They're going to challenge their mare against the best colts in the world in November.

I agree with Davidowitz that she is "relatively" impervious to pace. I don't think Davidowitz believes that she is 100% impervious to pace. I think he knows that it is better for her if the pace is fast. Davidowitz never said she could win a match race with Quality Road. I don't think Davidowitz thinks she would win a match-race with Quality Road. And I don't know if any horse in training could beat Rail Trip right now at Hollywood Park.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

And when she beats Rail Trip, you will see posts like well Rail Trip isn't Quality Road, let's be honest here no matter who she beats or has beaten thus far, this is the theme of her critics.

not at all true. If she took on males with consistancy and ran well.. won or lose.. her connections and her "legacy" would have a ton more respect.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

They're going to challenge their mare against the best colts in the world in November.

I agree with Davidowitz that she is "relatively" impervious to pace. I don't think Davidowitz believes that she is 100% impervious to pace. I think he knows that it is better for her if the pace is fast. Davidowitz never said she could win a match race with Quality Road. I don't think Davidowitz thinks she would win a match-race with Quality Road. And I don't know if any horse in training could beat Rail Trip right now at Hollywood Park.

Rail Trip got a dream trip in a Gr.2 carrying 118lbs, I repeat 118lbs in a GRADE 2. Suddenly he is the Quality Road of the west...some of you guys should think about this, I'm not sure if this was the same mindset I heard for Zardana after she beat Rachel or Unrivaled Belle, but talk about annointing a horse? I give you Rail Trip.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not at all true. If she took on males with consistancy and ran well.. won or lose.. her connections and her "legacy" would have a ton more respect.

I disagree. If she goes undefeated and wins the BC Classic this year for the 2nd year in a row, I think her legacy will be greater than if she ran against the boys a few more times and lost.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not at all true. If she took on males with consistancy and ran well.. won or lose.. her connections and her "legacy" would have a ton more respect.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, the year doesn't end after Delmar or the Spa.