Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What is your solution to the budget deficit in WI? Do u borrow more $ or raise taxes like IL just did. Do u end up like CA begging for donations to keep schools running? Please offer me your solutions and by saying that you just agree to the contributions to pension and healthcare is not a viable solution. What do u propose?

Tax the Rich - they need to pay more ! They "earned" it on the backs of the poor working middle class and come on let's face it they really didn't earn it,so it's not really theirs anyway.

Tax the Corporations - they are making too much money and there is proof that they are just stock piling their profits. It's really the peoples money, we just need to get our hands on it and get it into the government agencies so they can use it to the betterment of the middle class.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If the teachers union had in the last 30 yrs actually given on some items we would not be in this situation.

You're not saying that the unions have caused the budget deficits, I hope. That's certainly not true.

Wisconsin had a $136 million surplus this year, until Walker gave $140 million of unfunded tax incentives to corporations in his first month of office.

There is a 3.6 billion deficit projected over the next few years, which is far less than the 5.something billion deficit the last governor dealt with. In other words, there is no drastic or acute emergency right now as Walker maintains. That's a lie.

Walker has instituted this "budget repair bill", but there isn't enough deficit to trigger the need for a "repair bill" according to Wisconsin's own independent office of budget that consults to the state assemblies (repair bill is a technical term)

Since 1981, 2/3 of Wisconsin's corporations no longer pay any taxes at all.

Think that could be affecting state finances?

Maybe corporations could start paying some taxes. Rather than putting all taxes on working people.

This bill isn't about the deficit at all. It's just about union busting, and everyone knows it, even the Republicans now say that (as revealed on Walkers tape with "Koch" - will is leading to ethics violation charges for him)

[Riot]

The Wisconsin Senators are still refusing to come home so a vote can be held (especially as Walker revealed on the phone call with "Koch" that he intended to trick them by lying to them about talking of compromise) So this bill is not yet passed, as it needs the Senate to pass it.

But the Republicans in the Assembly, late last night, while debate was literally going on on the floor quickly sneaked and gaveled a voice vote and passed the bill literally in seconds The Dems were not told a vote would be called, the GOP was. Most Dems didn't even get to vote, although they were all in attendance literally standing on the floor waiting to speak.

While they were still debating amendments, the speaker literally and suddenly out of nowhere gaveled and called for the vote: the GOP were prepped so they all immediately called out "aye". The speaker then said, "the ayes have it" and gaveled the vote to a close.

Dave Weigel, Slate:
Video: Assembly GOP Passes Budget Repair Bill

MADISON, Wisc. -- The debate in the Assembly appeared to be a few hours away from ending when Speaker Pro Tem Bill Kramer interrupted their speeches and called the vote. It was gaveled in with lightning speed, less than the standard 15 seconds -- it was so fast that 28 members did not even vote on it, some out of protest but some failing to reach their buzzers. There were 51 ayes and 17 nays, and the nays included Republicans Dean Kaufert, Lee Nerison, Richard Spanbauer, and Travis Tranel.

Democrats exploded as soon as the vote was called, yelling "Cowards!" and "Shame!" at the Republicans filing out of the room.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/wei...pair-bill.aspx

The above includes a cool video of it happening, the Democrats, some Republicans and gallery yelling at the Republicans, being escorted safely out by state troopers.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You're not saying that the unions have caused the budget deficits, I hope. That's certainly not true.

your right the pension benefits to teachers which they made zero contributions to and receive the average of their 3 highest years for the rest of their lifetime has nothing to do with the budget deficit. Not to mention the amount of baby boom retirees coming in the near future. Coupled with the rising health care costs that most pay zero dollars in premiums. However I am not blaming this entirely on them, our lovely governor doyle should take a lot of the blame for the last 8 yrs of disaster.

If you had your way we would have taken Obama's $800 million for "SLOW RAIL" (yes it would have been slower than a car) from Madison to Milwaukee that would have caused the state more budget deficits in operating profits because no public transportation systems pay for themselves.

In the end our Governor will not back down and this bill will pass. This is why he was elected.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

While they were still debating amendments, the speaker literally and suddenly out of nowhere gaveled and called for the vote: the GOP were prepped so they all immediately called out "aye". The speaker then said, "the ayes have it" and gaveled the vote to a close.



http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/wei...pair-bill.aspx

The above includes a cool video of it happening, the Democrats, some Republicans and gallery yelling at the Republicans, being escorted safely out by state troopers.

How long did they debate? Really? The video shows how idiotic and unprofessional the democrats are. Try not showing up for your job for a week when you disagree with your boss or co-workers and see what happens.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022406520.html

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022406520.html

I thought Chris Farley overdosed on Coke with a hooker years ago. It looks like he has been reincarnated as an assembly democrat.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022406520.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZdY9rw-uo

[Riot]

In the end our Governor will not back down and this bill will pass. This is why he was elected.

The other GOP govs have already started jumping ship yesterday and today on supporting Walker. Enjoy him before the ethics violation hearings start, the state AG starts investigating him, and next January's recall.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How long did they debate? Really? The video shows how idiotic and unprofessional the democrats are. Try not showing up for your job for a week when you disagree with your boss or co-workers and see what happens.

No. The video shows how Assembly Republicans deceive and put politics before you and your fellow citizens, and their oath of office. A pre-planned secret vote? In literally seconds? Purposely not informing the other party? Yeah, that's democracy in action. Do you support that action in a democracy? Seriously?

And you support your governor kicking out the legislature, and taking single control, with no accountability, for selling or leasing your state utilities for whatever price he wants? That doesn't worry you?

And your governor kicking out legislative oversight, and taking complete control over who qualifies for Badgercare and public aid, and how much? With no oversight?

Wasn't Walker supposed to be a Tea-Party backed conservative? Why is he executing a Big Government Takeover? By the Governors office? Wasn't this supposed to be an "emergency" fiscal bill?

Let's go back to picking on those evil teachers (and prison guards and nurses) that have "ruined" Wisconsin's budget (while cutting taxes for corporations, so that most don't even pay any taxes, somehow magically hasn't made any negative revenue impact on the budget at all, over the past 30 years, apparently).

Those teachers and nurses that have exactly the pay and benefits that the State of Wisconsin has chosen to give them over the years. After all, these guys didn't steal it - they have exactly what Wisconsin agreed to give them. Let me share someone else's thoughts:

With regard to teachers, let's get one thing clear: you get what you pay for. But in Wisconsin, that's not quite true. In Wisconsin, you get *much more* than you pay for.

In cost-of-li­ving adjusted terms, Wisconsin teachers' pay ranks 28th of the 50 states. That's right: 28th. (http://tea­cherportal­.com/teach­er-salarie­s-by-state)

High school graduation rate in Wisconsin is 89.6%. That puts them in position #1 among the 50 states. (http://eco­nomix.blog­s.ny...173;-and-race/)

So, we have Wisconsin teachers ranking 28th in pay, but achieving the highest graduation rate.

You get what you pay for.

Except in Wisconsin, where you get far more than you pay for.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

TSA does not have collective bargaining rights

i dont make up stuff. they were given limited bargaining rights by the obama admin according to the feb 4 washington post article by joe davidson. would love to post a link, but im on my phone. google it, youll see what i read

[Cannon Shell]

http://yesbuthowever.com/dissecting-...claim-5000677/

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

wis won the superbowl so they can do what they want.,

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

wis won the superbowl so they can do what they want.,

and specifically Green Bay! Hold on Gov. Walker the PEOPLE are with you.

BTW Not sure if anyone is aware of this but WI people in general don't like and resent IL especially along the border. They fondly call them FIBS (f'n IL bastaards) recently updated to FIBTABS (f'n IL bastaards towing a boat). With IL and Chicago seemingly now baby-sitting the Dems at the Clocktower in Rockford (nice place to be held up in) many people now consider it a fight between IL and WI and you know how that will go.

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — Hundreds gathered in Green Bay in an effort to recall state Sen. Dave Hansen.


Hansen, from Green Bay, is one of 14 Democratic senators who left the state Feb. 17 to block a vote on Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s budget repair bill that would discontinue collective bargaining for public-sector employees.


The Saturday meeting was organized by Green Bay resident David VanderLeest, who filed the recall effort. VanderLeest says nearly 14,000 district residents will need to sign petitions within 60 days to force a recall election.

Hansen, who was at an undisclosed Illinois location Saturday, told the Green Bay Press-Gazette that they have a right to push the recall but he’s not worried because he’s trying to protect the American dream.

http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/l...n-bay-senator/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and specifically Green Bay! Hold on Gov. Walker the PEOPLE are with you.

That doesn't appear to be true:

February 25, 2011
Another day, another conservative poll has bad news for Scott Walker

A day after a conservative poll of Wisconsin showed voters there overwhelmingly opposed to Gov. Scott Walker's (R) plan to eliminate collective bargaining for thousands of state workers, conservative stalwart Dick Morris dropped his own poll of the state showing a similar result.

Fifty-four percent of the respondents to Morris' poll said they were opposed to eliminating collective bargaining. Just 41% said they favored it.

The voters Morris polled did want some changes made to the union worker's compensation plan. Basically the same ones the union has already offered.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ott-walker.php

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — Hundreds gathered in Green Bay in an effort to recall state Sen. Dave Hansen.

One hundred thousand gathered Saturday in Madison, in support of Wisconsin unions, the largest demonstration yet, with supporting rallies held in all 50 states.

Russ Feingold has formed a PAC, and is reporting 71,000 signatures to put him on the gubnatorial ballot when the Walker recall occurs.

[Danzig]

new book offering:

'how not to run a state', by the governor and legislature of wisconsin.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and specifically Green Bay! Hold on Gov. Walker the PEOPLE are with you.

BTW Not sure if anyone is aware of this but WI people in general don't like and resent IL especially along the border. They fondly call them FIBS (f'n IL bastaards) recently updated to FIBTABS (f'n IL bastaards towing a boat). With IL and Chicago seemingly now baby-sitting the Dems at the Clocktower in Rockford (nice place to be held up in) many people now consider it a fight between IL and WI and you know how that will go.

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — Hundreds gathered in Green Bay in an effort to recall state Sen. Dave Hansen.


Hansen, from Green Bay, is one of 14 Democratic senators who left the state Feb. 17 to block a vote on Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s budget repair bill that would discontinue collective bargaining for public-sector employees.


The Saturday meeting was organized by Green Bay resident David VanderLeest, who filed the recall effort. VanderLeest says nearly 14,000 district residents will need to sign petitions within 60 days to force a recall election.

Hansen, who was at an undisclosed Illinois location Saturday, told the Green Bay Press-Gazette that they have a right to push the recall but he’s not worried because he’s trying to protect the American dream.

http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/l...n-bay-senator/

"Hundreds"

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Reporting that police, who were supposed to close down the Madison capital at 4:00pm CST, and indeed ask people to leave at that time, are NOT forcing protesters who stayed to leave. In fact, there are off-duty police protesting there. All are risking arrest for peacefully refusing the request to leave, but apparently it's not gonna happen.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

new book offering:

'how not to run a state', by the governor and legislature of wisconsin.

Another: "You get exactly what you vote for. By everyone. Buyer beware. Not voting = not a good idea."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"Hundreds"

I think that any Democrats who are threatened with recall will be alot safer in their districts within Wisconsin at the recall election, than the Republicans.