Lawyer Ron Goes to Pletcher.. - Page 8

#**141** 10-02-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

What kind of stupid statement is that? I am not a Pletcher fan but I am sure he loves his horses. Zito is good, was great, but he is no Pletcher. Zito can't even win a grade 1. Pletcher seems to win them every week. Pletcher is the best american trainer by far. He shouldn't be compared with the all-time greats yet, but he probably will be when his career is over.

As for not going to CA, guys like Frankel and Baffert win grade 1's all the time with their assistants saddling their horses.

Pletcher is probably the best I have ever seen when it comes to placing his horses.

Nick Zito started out as a kid from Brooklyn who walked hots.
He evolved into a man who has won all three classics, the Travers, and just about every Grade One in NY run on the dirt.
Hes trained a champion and won a Breeders Cup race.
His accomplishments speak for themselves, and every year he comes back with more horses at the highest level.
Hes in the hall of fame for a reason.
Hes a credit to the sport, and to anyone who wants to try and work themselves up from nothing to something.
You, Nostradamus, I suspect very strongly are working on the exact opposite, and I have no doubts that you will succeed!

Nostradamus · #**142** 10-02-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Did he forget how to train?

He decided he likes to live in Saratoga and not spend his time in the trenches at Belmont. Smart lifestyle decision, but he is no longer in the Pletcher category.

Pletcher has won $19M this year. Zito, not even $4M. Guy has zero grade 1's and his 3yr olds are awful.

dalakhani · #**143** 10-02-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

How many grade 1's has he won this year MR. WOOD? LOL. What are you 12?

In fact he was the one saying he can't get lucky and win one. Just keeps coming up short.

Is that more a product of the talent of horses that he has at his disposal or his skill as a trainer?

Nostradamus · #**144** 10-02-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Nick Zito started out as a kid from Brooklyn who walked hots.
He evolved into a man who has won all three classics, the Travers, and just about every Grade One in NY run on the dirt.
Hes trained a champion and won a Breeders Cup race.
His accomplishments speak for themselves, and every year he comes back with more horses at the highest level.
Hes in the hall of fame for a reason.
Hes a credit to the sport, and to anyone who wants to try and work themselves up from nothing to something.
You, Nostradamus, I suspect very strongly are working on the exact opposite, and I have no doubts that you will succeed!

I never said he wasn't great. He was. He is a nice person too, but now he is no longer in the Pletcher league. Stats don't lie. Maybe getting married or living upstate did it, but he is not a face you see at Belmont any longer.

#**145** 10-02-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I never said he wasn't great. He was. He is a nice person too, but now he is no longer in the Pletcher league. Stats don't lie. Maybe getting married or living upstate did it, but he is not a face you see at Belmont any longer.

So his choice to have a home up here, and live here as his main residence, and train at the number one track to train a horse at, makes him not what he was? because you don't see him at Belmont? WOW!!

Nostradamus · #**146** 10-02-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Is that more a product of the talent of horses that he has at his disposal or his skill as a trainer?

I don't think he works as hard as he used to and he certainly doesn't work as hard as Pletcher. Good for Zito. He has a life now.

My knock on Zito is really his job with Sun King. A poor job placing him and the horse continually loses despite being the best horse at the wire.

Nostradamus · #**147** 10-02-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

So his choice to have a home up here, and live here as his main residence, and train at the number one track to train a horse at, makes him not what he was? because you don't see him at Belmont? WOW!!

Well why has his stock dropped off so much? Who cares if I don't see him. Owners don't see him. He just does not have a great barn any longer. Who does he have? Other than Sun King, you never hear anyone mention his horses.

He was a no-show this past spring, and he has some expensive horses.

blackthroatedwind · #**148** 10-02-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

He decided he likes to live in Saratoga and not spend his time in the trenches at Belmont. Smart lifestyle decision, but he is no longer in the Pletcher category.

Pletcher has won $19M this year. Zito, not even $4M. Guy has zero grade 1's and his 3yr olds are awful.

Nick's horses are stabled in Saratoga, genius. He spends time there and in NY. You know, just like your newest idol, Todd Pletcher, who has so many horses, he too has a bunch at Saratoga, where Todd ( like Nick ) also spends time.

So Todd has won five times as much money as Nick this year. How many more horses do you think Todd has than Nick? And, with all those 2YOs, isn't it interesting that Nick won more 2YO dirt maiden races than Todd did at Saratoga this past summer.

So his 3YOs are, according to you awful. That I guess is Nick's fault. I guess it must be, because he hasn't had any success in the past with 3YOs. Oh, I forgot, he has won the Derby twice, the Preakness and the Belmont ( 2 years ago ). I'm a little foogy, you know...from responding to moronic posts, how many TC races has the world's greatest trainer Todd Pletcher won.

By the way, Todd is a terrific trainer, but he's neither the greatest trainer around, as you claim, nor would he suggest as much.

#**149** 10-02-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I don't think he works as hard as he used to and he certainly doesn't work as hard as Pletcher. Good for Zito. He has a life now.

My knock on Zito is really his job with Sun King. A poor job placing him and the horse continually loses despite being the best horse at the wire.

Hes a workaholic, and the rationale that because you don't see him at Belmont, that he isn't it, is borderline maniacal.
He practically lives at the barn up here.
His plan a few years back was to train fewer horses, and train up here in Saratoga 6 months a year.
I don't know anyone who can see all the way to Saratoga from Belmont, and I doubt you can either.
His placement with a horse who was beaten a head and nose in the two of the three most presitigious races in NY for older horses, looks pretty good to me.

#**150** 10-02-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Well why has his stock dropped off so much? Who cares if I don't see him. Owners don't see him. He just does not have a great barn any longer. Who does he have? Other than Sun King, you never hear anyone mention his horses.

He was a no-show this past spring, and he has some expensive horses.

Expensive horses don't always mean good horses.
And "genius" he won more two year old MSW's up here in Saratoga this summer than anyone, including Pletcher.
You have never looked as foolish as you do now.

Nostradamus · #**151** 10-02-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nick's horses are stabled in Saratoga, genius. He spends time there and in NY. You know, just like your newest idol, Todd Pletcher, who has so many horses, he too has a bunch at Saratoga, where Todd ( like Nick ) also spends time.

So Todd has won five times as much money as Nick this year. How many more horses do you think Todd has than Nick? And, with all those 2YOs, isn't it interesting that Nick won more 2YO dirt maiden races than Todd did at Saratoga this past summer.

So his 3YOs are, according to you awful. That I guess is Nick's fault. I guess it must be, because he hasn't had any success in the past with 3YOs. Oh, I forgot, he has won the Derby twice, the Preakness and the Belmont ( 2 years ago ). I'm a little foogy, you know...from responding to moronic posts, how many TC races has the world's greatest trainer Todd Pletcher won.

By the way, Todd is a terrific trainer, but he's neither the greatest trainer around, as you claim, nor would he suggest he is either.

Look Mr. Wood, I am not a Pletcher fan. The numbers don't lie though. He is winning everything and has a great shot in numerous BC races.

As for Zito, I just said he is no longer a dominant trainer. His 3yr olds are terrible and he has some really expensive ones. I don't know if he bought them, but they were terrible. For a guy whose barn is centered on 3yr olds, he has done miserably.

#**152** 10-02-2006, 07:59 PM

Nostradumbass

Cannon Shell · #**153** 10-02-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Would Fire Slam standing for $6K fall into that category?

He's just marginal

Nostradamus · #**154** 10-02-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Nostradumbass

Pillow Pants, do you have any self-esteem?

#**155** 10-02-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Pillow Pants, do you have any self-esteem?

I don't know what self-esteem is. Let me go ask my brother.

Nostradamus · #**156** 10-02-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I don't know what self-esteem is. Let me go ask my brother.

Funny. Almost as funny as your anti-muslim comments. Here's $2, I know you are a degenerate, but please use it to buy some self-esteem instead of pissing it away on one of your worthless picks.