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ateamstupid · #**141** 10-09-2006, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

It's kind of funny, how you point out that Sinister Ministers Beyer is faulty, but Bernardini's aren't...hmm, I guess if it fits your arguement, they are valid, if not, they are faulty...

SM ran one in the Top 5. Bernardini ran the other four. I guess that's enough evidence to say 'dini's faster.. Not to you, apparently, though.

Pointg5 · #**142** 10-09-2006, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

SM ran one in the Top 5. Bernardini ran the other four. I guess that's enough evidence to say 'dini's faster.. Not to you, apparently, though.

Ofcourse Bernardini is faster, but that's not the point, you can't selectively point to that evidence as him being fast, but say well that was a faulty Beyer on Sin Min, isn't it possible that one or two of Bernardini's Beyers are faulty then. Didn't he earn one of those on a loose lead or easy trip? That's the thing with you Bernardini lovers, it's all or none, and if you don't lavish praise on him you are a hater, that's rediculous. Haven't I said that I believe he's the best horse in training? Haven't I said he's a potential great? I am sorry I have questions about him when he gets hooked. I am finished with this conversation, I really hope he wins the Classic, because I don't think some of you guys will be able to get on with your lives if he does not...

Thunder Gulch · #**143** 10-09-2006, 09:59 AM

No doubt Bernardini looks like a great one, but let's not overstate it at this point. If he thrashes Lava Man, Invasor, and others by open lengths on 11/4, then we can start figuring where he fits in history. He still hasn't run an off the chart fast race, ala Formal Gold or Spectacular Bid, but he hasn't been asked either, so who knows.

#**144** 10-09-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

No doubt Bernardini looks like a great one, but let's not overstate it at this point. If he thrashes Lava Man, Invasor, and others by open lengths on 11/4, then we can start figuring where he fits in history. He still hasn't run an off the chart fast race, ala Formal Gold or Spectacular Bid, but he hasn't been asked either, so who knows.

People ... people ... people ...

... please don't fall into the amateurish trap of comparing performances by 4YOS to performances by 3YOS.

All these folks who use the great races of Spectacular Bid or Seattle Slew or Dr. Fager (or Formal Gold) as yardsticks for comparisons to Secretariat or Bernardini ... are falling into that silly trap.

None of those three great horses did anything extraordinary as 3YOS ... all of their mindblowing races came as 4YOS.

The 3YO Bernardini is every bit as good ... or much better ... than the 3YO Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, or Dr. Fager.

The 3YO Secretariat blew the wheels off any horse of any age. Only the evil doings of worldwide socialism prevented us from seeing even more sensational performances from him as a 4YO.

Please let's not hear such nonsense again.

#**145** 10-09-2006, 11:49 AM

I wasn't blown away by his effort like I was in the Travers. he had to get after him on the turn to catch the runnerup, and his final time was ordinary. I can't grasp the Beyer fig at all, think its ludicrous. Henny went 8 flat for 6f so the track was obviously ok in speed. 2:01 for a mile and a quarter which is only a turn and a half instead of two turns on a track where the track record is 1:58:1 is not that great.
I dunno, maybe he is beatable after all.

Pointg5 · #**146** 10-09-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I wasn't blown away by his effort like I was in the Travers. he had to get after him on the turn to catch the runnerup, and his final time was ordinary. I can't grasp the Beyer fig at all, think its ludicrous. Henny went 8 flat for 6f so the track was obviously ok in speed. 2:01 for a mile and a quarter which is only a turn and a half instead of two turns on a track where the track record is 1:58:1 is not that great.
I dunno, maybe he is beatable after all.

Now you've done it, you're going to send the planets out of line and have the Bernardini Bunch come crashing down on you...Heaven forbid, someone looks at the race for what it was....

Buffymommy · #**147** 10-09-2006, 12:06 PM

OK, I just watched the race. He won easily and it wouldn't surprise me if he does win the Breeder's Cup. (not that I think he is going to win cause you all know who I am really rooting for).

Bernardini is a good very good horse. OK, so his time wasn't that great, but he really wasn't asked. But then I question: Has Bernardini ever really been asked? Has another horse every kept up with him stride for stride in the homestretch and has he had to battle to the wire with another horse? If he has, I haven't seen it. Until I do, I will not dub him "the next great". Not that he isn't a very good horse, because he is. Just not labeling him "GREAT" yet.

But when Drifty kicks his butt in the Classic, I will not dub him great...

(Just being sarcastic, but here's to hoping.)

randallscott35 · #**148** 10-09-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I wasn't blown away by his effort like I was in the Travers. he had to get after him on the turn to catch the runnerup, and his final time was ordinary. I can't grasp the Beyer fig at all, think its ludicrous. Henny went 8 flat for 6f so the track was obviously ok in speed. 2:01 for a mile and a quarter which is only a turn and a half instead of two turns on a track where the track record is 1:58:1 is not that great.
I dunno, maybe he is beatable after all.

I tend to agree here. Much more impressed by Henny than Bernie. But Bernie is really really good, but we need to hold off on the super horse comparisons sometimes. We all want one so much that it doesn't surprise me that people jump the gun. He could be. Or he might not be....Discreet Cat may well be better.

#**149** 10-09-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I tend to agree here. Much more impressed by Henny than Bernie. But Bernie is really really good, but we need to hold off on the super horse comparisons sometimes. We all want one so much that it doesn't surprise me that people jump the gun. He could be. Or he might not be....Discreet Cat may well be better.

Randy ...

In light of my admonition above ... you may want to change your signature line.

To say that Spectacular Bid was better than Secretariat is exactly the type of silly amateurism that I warned against. Compare the 3YO record of Spectacular Bid with the 3YO record of Secretariat ... and you'll realize how foolish you look.

randallscott35 · #**150** 10-09-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Randy ...

In light of my admonition above ... you may want to change your signature line.

To say that Spectacular Bid was better than Secretariat is exactly the type of silly amateurism that I warned against. Compare the 3YO record of Spectacular Bid with the 3YO record of Secretariat ... and you'll realize how foolish you look.

Yes I'm so silly. Bad me. Bad, bad, bad.

#**151** 10-09-2006, 01:12 PM

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]People ... people ... people ...
Only the evil doings of worldwide socialism prevented us from seeing even more sensational performances from him as a 4YO.
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I doubt it....................

And please don't buy into that "twit's" BS.

Did you know that Lucien could make a rope come up out of the basket without a pipe?

BTW, a clocker picked up he battery Sunday morning right by the clocker's stand just before the clubhouse turn.

LARHAGE · #**152** 10-09-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by todko

It was a decent performance. The mid fractions were solid but they were coming off some really slow initial fractions. And he didn't come home in anything riveting.

There's no way Bernardini would have beaten Ghostzapper in the BC Classic. No way. Or St. Liam, or Roses in May. He has an easy chance to do it compared with what other 3 year olds have faced in the Classic. He's been very lucky.

That might change soon depending on what Romans does with Bright One. Or the sheiks do with Discreet Cat.

BRIGHT ONE??????? He coudn't even beat a field of 3rd and 4th string runners! Bernardini could give him a 3 furlong head start and 15 pounds and blow him away!!!!

Cajungator26 · #**153** 10-09-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

BRIGHT ONE??????? He coudn't even beat a field of 3rd and 4th string runners! Bernardini could give him a 3 furlong head start and 15 pounds and blow him away!!!!

We'll see if they run against one another...

#**154** 10-09-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

BRIGHT ONE??????? He coudn't even beat a field of 3rd and 4th string runners! Bernardini could give him a 3 furlong head start and 15 pounds and blow him away!!!!

Muhaha I concur! Hell Jesus would lose to Bernardini in a 5 furlong sprint on the water!! And i'll make $30 on a $300 bet! Whoo!!

*pats self on the back*

Cajungator26 · #**155** 10-09-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Muhaha I concur! Hell Jesus would lose to Bernardini in a 5 furlong sprint on the water!! And i'll make $30 on a $300 bet! Whoo!!

*pats self on the back*

LMFAO!!!

OMG, you guys are killing me today...

#**156** 10-09-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

OK, I just watched the race. He won easily and it wouldn't surprise me if he does win the Breeder's Cup. (not that I think he is going to win cause you all know who I am really rooting for).

Bernardini is a good very good horse. OK, so his time wasn't that great, but he really wasn't asked. But then I question: Has Bernardini ever really been asked? Has another horse every kept up with him stride for stride in the homestretch and has he had to battle to the wire with another horse? If he has, I haven't seen it. Until I do, I will not dub him "the next great". Not that he isn't a very good horse, because he is. Just not labeling him "GREAT" yet.

But when Drifty kicks his butt in the Classic, I will not dub him great...

(Just being sarcastic, but here's to hoping.)

he hasn't won them all. apparently they didn't 'ask' him in his debut either!!

JJP · #**157** 10-09-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by todko

Bernardini is just a good 3 year old who has run against nobody. He's been very lucky in that he hasn't had anybody to run against. He might get lucky again because he doesn't have Ghostzapper, St. Liam, or Roses in May to run against. Plenty of older horses can get the 10f in 201 and change. With solid fractions also. It'll be a different story at CD in a few weeks.

The fractions in that race were almost like a turf race. 25+, 48, yawn, sigh, snore, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . . .

Wake me up when a truly great horse arrives, because it's not Bernardini.

The biggest myth in racing is 3YOs can't beat older horses. They do it all the time and it will happen at CD when both Bernardini and Henny Hughes win.

#**158** 10-09-2006, 03:44 PM

just remember the fave only wins about 1/3 of the time. some faves WILL go down come bc day.
question is....who??

Buffymommy · #**159** 10-09-2006, 04:08 PM

I am thinking Bernardini is most likely the one to go down. I am so excited about the Breeder's Cup this year. I am even doing a pool at work for all the races.

JJP · #**160** 10-09-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig2

just remember the fave only wins about 1/3 of the time. some faves WILL go down come bc day.
question is....who??

The Mile and Sprint have historically had the most longshots. The Juvenile has had some beaten faves. The Distaff has had the most chalks.