Top 25 3yo's 1987-2007 - Page 9

freddymo · #**161** 02-26-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Ironic thread as LITF's half brother, by Speightstown, will be going through the ring very shortly. Hip #176.

I have no reason to believe Youngstown will be all that as a sire..

King Glorious · #**162** 02-26-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Seeing things differently is one thing.....are you aware of the two races Turkoman ran at 7F as a 4YO?

I'm aware of the Forego. I never saw the other race. From the accounts of it that you just gave, it must have been a good race. But then, was it better than Fog going 1:13 2/5 as a 2yo (with a 1:07 1/5 fraction) at Turf Paradise? Was it better than Fog going 1:07 1/5 (with a 54 1/5 fraction) at Golden Gate? He also ran 1:08's at Gulfstream, Aqueduct, and Belmont to prove that he wasn't just a wonder on the asphalt tracks out West. His race at Calder was close to setting a track record and was faster than the older horses went in the Smile and the Princess Rooney, races which were won by graded stakes winning horses.

Cannon is right though. A horse like Turkoman would be looked at like a God today. Same with Precisionist, who was Ghostzapper before Ghostzapper.

freddymo · #**163** 02-26-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm aware of the Forego. I never saw the other race. From the accounts of it that you just gave, it must have been a good race. But then, was it better than Fog going 1:13 2/5 as a 2yo (with a 1:07 1/5 fraction) at Turf Paradise? Was it better than Fog going 1:07 1/5 (with a 54 1/5 fraction) at Golden Gate? He also ran 1:08's at Gulfstream, Aqueduct, and Belmont to prove that he wasn't just a wonder on the asphalt tracks out West. His race at Calder was close to setting a track record and was faster than the older horses went in the Smile and the Princess Rooney, races which were won by graded stakes winning horses.

Cannon is right though. A horse like Turkoman would be looked at like a God today. Same with Precisionist, who was Ghostzapper before Ghostzapper.

Geez King next you are goingto be telling me how awesome Smokey Stover is because beat Northern Cal's finest

King Glorious · #**164** 02-26-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Geez King next you are goingto be telling me how awesome Smokey Stover is because beat Northern Cal's finest

I don't get it.

Antitrust32 · #**165** 02-26-2008, 03:53 PM

kitten's Joy as a 3yo?

miraja2 · #**166** 02-26-2008, 03:59 PM

The bottom line is that since none of these horses ever proved themselves over poly or cushion we can't know how good any of them really were.

freddymo · #**167** 02-26-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't get it.

LITF beat the clock in No Cal races... He was racing against 50k claimers.. I real don't get why anyone would think the colt was ever special... BTW I Love SJ as well

King Glorious · #**168** 02-26-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

LITF beat the clock in No Cal races... He was racing against 50k claimers.. I real don't get why anyone would think the colt was ever special... BTW I Love SJ as well

Ok, now I get it. You are absolutely correct. I had to look through some scattered papers on my desk but I found the memo telling me that Calder, Gulfstream, Aqueduct, Saratoga, Belmont, and Churchill had all been relocated to Northern Cal. My mistake.

The Bid · #**169** 02-26-2008, 04:12 PM

Freddy,

Smokey wouldnt have gotten LITF out of a jog

horseofcourse · #**170** 02-26-2008, 04:17 PM

I honestly don't know how you discredit what LITF did as a 3 yr old. He isn't an all time great, but that was a tremendous season. He's certainly not the first horse to run a clunker in the BC (especially a sprinter). He pretty much ran the best 3 yr old sprint races you can run and won them all...all over the country.

The Bid · #**171** 02-26-2008, 04:22 PM

He was the first horse to run a clunker with cancer wrapped around his spine

SentToStud · #**172** 02-26-2008, 04:30 PM

Don't remember if Manila was a 3yo in 1986 or 1987. Though grass, he had a great 3 yo year.

blackthroatedwind · #**173** 02-26-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Don't remember if Manila was a 3yo in 1986 or 1987. Though grass, he had a great 3 yo year.

1986.....or he belongs on any and every list.

freddymo · #**174** 02-26-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Freddy,

Smokey wouldnt have gotten LITF out of a jog

I am not so sure... but that wasnt my point

SentToStud · #**175** 02-26-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

1986.....or he belongs on any and every list.

I read the other day he's nominated for the HoF. Hard to believe he's not already in. He beat a real good field in the BC Turf back when that was the race they all wanted to win.

#**176** 02-26-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

So instead of naming the top 25 in the last 20 years, you named the top 20 in the last 30 years.
That makes Hansel's inclusion on your list even more strange.

This is correct.
This is exactly what I did.

And if you only find Hansel strange
then I really must have fkd up...

btw, I see you guys have gotten underway
at school. Hope all gets back to normal soon.

RolloTomasi · #**177** 02-26-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

It's a stigma that's hard to overcome. I consider El Gato Malo a Northern Cali horse even though two of his three races have been in Southern Cali. It's just interesting that a horse that won more races at Gulfstream, Churchill, Belmont, and Saratoga than in Northern Cali is still disparaged as only a Northern Cali horse.

El Gato Malo has trained in SoCal throughout his career. I don't think anyone thinks of him as a horse from the Bay Area.

Until they started messing with the schedules (and Santa Anita revised the Santa Catalina from a restricted to a open, graded race), the El Camino Real Derby used to be one of the most productive races as far as Derby preps go.

King Glorious · #**178** 02-26-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

El Gato Malo has trained in SoCal throughout his career. I don't think anyone thinks of him as a horse from the Bay Area.

Until they started messing with the schedules (and Santa Anita revised the Santa Catalina from a restricted to a open, graded race), the El Camino Real Derby used to be one of the most productive races as far as Derby preps go.

I was saying that even though I know he's not a North Cali horse, because he ran that one race up there, when I think of him, my first though is of a Northern Cali horse so I can understand how that stigma can easily be placed on Fog even though he ran the majority of his races away from North Ca.

The Bid · #**179** 02-26-2008, 05:04 PM

I know it wasnt your point, but Im pretty sure that he couldnt have gotten that horse out of a jog. He cant get half the horses running now out of a jog, hes a typical California horse who comes East and gets drilled. LITF was different, he went anywhere and dictated the race. He flew in, kicked ass, and flew home.

ArlJim78 · #**180** 02-26-2008, 05:16 PM

i never would have expected LITF's name to come up on this thread, given the title.