Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year? - Page 9

Bigsmc · #**161** 10-13-2008, 06:42 PM

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Bring on all those 'SUPERIOR' EURO's to try that hard course with the sharp turns.

You mean like the way they swept the first three places in the 2003 F & M Turf at SA?

Pedigree Ann · #**162** 10-13-2008, 07:24 PM

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Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

If this were Europe or Australia, there would be no question; a female horse who has run out of competition among fillies and/or mares naturally takes on the males. Like Zarkava did in the Arc. And Pride, who was second a couple of years ago. And like Sunline did, and Makybe Diva, who became the first 3-time winner of the Melbourne Cup, did. We used to do it in the USA, too, and not that long ago. Easy Goer's dam Relaxing ran third to John Henry in the JC Gold Cup.

CSC · #**163** 10-13-2008, 07:29 PM

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Not to forget Pebbles, Indian Skimmer, Hatoof, and Estrapade. All ran very strong races in the Turf. What about Safely Kept, Meafara, Very Subtle, Honest Lady, Soviet Problem, and Pine Tree Lane....none of whom needed their own sprint race.

And not to mention I believe Jolypha finished 2nd in the Classic to AP Indy.

ELA · #**164** 10-13-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.

I don't have a strong opinion either way, yet. I'll see after the entries and see how the field looks. Sure, you can make a case for it. I wouldn't hold it against an owner if he did it for ego or for sportsmanship. I agree it's not about drawing more extra fans -- and if Curlin vs. Big Brown did, it would be short-lived at best. Of course as many know, that is not the solution.

I don't think any of it -- not one day -- will have an effect on the sport. It's the difference between a diet and a lifestyle change. "They" will get it one day. When they need so much else in order to survive.

I think Crist hit the nail -- dead center perfect -- right on the head.

Eric

Betsy · #**165** 10-13-2008, 07:34 PM

Is Lady Marian coming? If so, she's got a huge shot

King Glorious · #**166** 10-13-2008, 07:40 PM

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And not to mention I believe Jolypha finished 2nd in the Classic to AP Indy.

She was third behind him and Pleasant Tap. Now imagine that. She was a 3yo filly from France making her dirt debut and American debut at the same time and it came in the BC Classic. I don't remember what start number that was in her career but I know it wasn't more than her 8th. She beat some pretty good horses to finish third that day. That move took guts and was rewarded.

King Glorious · #**167** 10-13-2008, 07:52 PM

Some years ago in the NBA, the commissioner had to step in and reign in some of the practices of the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Ted Stepien. Even though it was his team, the league stepped in for what was the good of the game. Look at this past offseason in the NFL and the commissioner stepped in on a team matter regarding Brett Favre and the Packers. Again, it was for the good of the game. League commissioners are given certain latitudes to make moves and decisions when they are deemed to be in the overall good of the game, even if it means taking some of the power away from an owner or player. Now, I realize that horse racing is totally different and it's hard to tell someone what to do with a living and breathing animal. Also, we don't have a league commissioner. I wouldn't pretend to know where exactly that line is but I do feel like there is a fine line out there between exercising your own personal rights and doing what's in the best interests of the game. Say Bernardini's owners had wanted to really make sure there was no competition for him and had convinced his brother not to enter Invasor? Is that their right? Absolutely. Would it be in the best interests or for the good of the game? No. I think that once you have horses at that level, you do have some level of obligation to the sport and to the fans that support you.

Bigsmc · #**168** 10-13-2008, 07:57 PM

King G,

Have you ever owned a horse?

King Glorious · #**169** 10-13-2008, 07:58 PM

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King G,

Have you ever owned a horse?

I never have.

the_fat_man · #**170** 10-13-2008, 08:01 PM

Wasn't following the event in 2003, so I have no idea what the fields were like, where the winners came from, or how the turf course was playing. If it continues as it is presently, late runs and wide trips won't work. But I appreciate the general comments.

Cannon Shell · #**171** 10-13-2008, 08:02 PM

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I never have.

wanna buy one?

King Glorious · #**172** 10-13-2008, 08:04 PM

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wanna buy one?

Some really close friends own a few. Some of them are actually pretty good ones too. That's close enough for me. I would cause a trainer to have headaches. I know what I'm not cut out for.

Bigsmc · #**173** 10-13-2008, 08:04 PM

Once the bills come rolling in, it makes it difficult to feel "some level of obligation to the sport and to the fans that support you". The bad horses cost just as much as the good ones.

The sport and the fans that support you don't care when your horse can't break his maiden and has an endless string of vet bills.

It's a noble thought and you'd like to think owners would feel that way, but it just doesn't happen.

King Glorious · #**174** 10-13-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Once the bills come rolling in, it makes it difficult to feel "some level of obligation to the sport and to the fans that support you". The bad horses cost just as much as the good ones.

The sport and the fans that support you don't care when your horse can't break his maiden and has an endless string of vet bills.

It's a noble thought and you'd like to think owners would feel that way, but it just doesn't happen.

Well, that's why I say that I don't know where that fine line would be. It would also surely have to be a different line for a guy that's been small time for years and comes up with a once in a lifetime horse as opposed to an operation like Darley or Coolmore. Let's face it. For many of the people that own these horses at this level, they aren't pinching pennies and the financial aspects of it aren't paramount in the decisions they make.

Bigsmc · #**175** 10-13-2008, 08:11 PM

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Well, that's why I say that I don't know where that fine line would be. It would also surely have to be a different line for a guy that's been small time for years and comes up with a once in a lifetime horse as opposed to an operation like Darley or Coolmore. Let's face it. For many of the people that own these horses at this level, they aren't pinching pennies and the financial aspects of it aren't paramount in the decisions they make.

The problem is, the bigger the outfit, the less they care about the good of the "game".

King Glorious · #**176** 10-13-2008, 08:15 PM

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The problem is, the bigger the outfit, the less they care about the good of the "game".

That's true and that's the problem. That's where I think Christ is wrong. Well, not wrong but not helping. Instead of saying how we are wrong to have certain expectations and desires, I think he could help more by trying to push people into doing what's best for the game overall instead of telling us to back off.

blackthroatedwind · #**177** 10-13-2008, 08:18 PM

Jesus Christ has checked in on this issue?

Who woulda thunk it.

Cannon Shell · #**178** 10-13-2008, 08:20 PM

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Jesus Christ has checked in on this issue?

Who woulda thunk it.

It is very important...

letswastemoney · #**179** 10-13-2008, 08:49 PM

Casino Drive earned a 92 beyer.

Linny · #**180** 10-13-2008, 09:06 PM

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No, they don't owe us anything. They can do what they want with their horses. Period. Christ is right that them doing some of the things we want as fans won't increase the fan base one bit.

Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ is writing for the Form!!!???

I tend to agree with Crist. I simply don't see a horse, or even a rivalry being the savior (to keep the theme of this post alive) of the game. Curlin has raced 6 times this year. I saw his last 3 races. The sad fact is that a total of only about 39,000 people saw his last three starts.

Sadly, what is "good for the game" and what is good for the varied factions within the game tend to be many different things.