World wants Obama

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

What were Clinton's response again?

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Still my all time fav...just can't help myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the whole fin' country was behind the war when it was started. dems and repubs. More Democrats voted FOR the war than Not for. (I briefly counted 29 dems for, and 23 against). I remember speaking to my friend who works as an arabic translator in the navy b4 the war (and hes a dem) and he told me we will be suprised by the amount of WMD's we will find over there.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...0237&session=2

You wont find Obama's vote cause he was still doing nothing in the state senate.

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're gonna have to backpeddle a little better than this I'm afraid. Look, it's fine that you feel the way you do. We're all different. Just man up and admit it to yourself.

You haven't given me a reason for pause, and I don't backpeddle anything! State your case or shut the hell up!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The Catholic Church is guilty of those things...I'm with you on that! I said God doesn't smoke..how is that an insight into my thoughts?
The visitor from another country would explain the stilted view stated in his posts,imo! What else ya got? Read slower...you won't miss so much

So the Catholic church has exclusive rights to the crimes listed above? Or is it fair to say that some of the worst crimes committed against mankind have been in the name of _______ religion and described as "missions from God".

Wait a second....where have i heard this mission from God thing?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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You forgot the USS Cole which killed 17 United States sailors, 39 injured. (organized directly by al-Qaeda with the support of Sudan)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

there is no way that Iraq DIDNT have WMD's. I do wish Bush would have gone with what the UN was trying to make happen at the time, instead of directly going against the UN and basically making the United Nations useless. that kinda upset me at the time.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So the Catholic church has exclusive rights to the crimes listed above? Or is it fair to say that some of the worst crimes committed against mankind have been in the name of _______ religion and described as "missions from God".

Wait a second....where have i heard this mission from God thing?

So this is the part where I say that you are obfuscating the stream of posts
in order to give a rote explanation for the troubles of the world?
Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

Yes, the idea that US surveillance couldnt capture the movement of stockpiles of chemical and nuclear weapons is highly plausible.

Its just as plausible that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 in the first place.

Or as plausible that the reason we are over there is to liberate the Iraqi people.

Or as plausible that oil had nothing to do with it.

Or as plausible that cheney and the boys didnt make a lot of money from it



Yes im sure these ideas are all highly plausible.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So this is the part where I say that you are obfuscating the stream of posts
in order to give a rote explanation for the troubles of the world?
Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

You are better than that last sentence...well maybe not, but the last sentence is just dumb.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are better than that last sentence...well maybe not, but the last sentence is just dumb.

How doe that not fit with your previous post? Do you disagree about both historical incidents?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the whole fin' country was behind the war when it was started. dems and repubs. More Democrats voted FOR the war than Not for. (I briefly counted 29 dems for, and 23 against). I remember speaking to my friend who works as an arabic translator in the navy b4 the war (and hes a dem) and he told me we will be suprised by the amount of WMD's we will find over there.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...0237&session=2

You wont find Obama's vote cause he was still doing nothing in the state senate.

Seriously? The hell difference does it make what your friend in the Navy thought we'd find? What kind of point is that? Did we find anything? Did the U.N. Inspectors find anything? Did it matter?

Bush used the ripe fear from 9/11 to scare everyone into going with the war. The Democrats don't get a free pass from me, but the Bush administration is ultimately responsible.

They were the ones pulling the god damn trigger, what difference does it make what the American people thought? The fact that the majority of the country was for the war doesn't mean anything. The bottom line is that this was a totally unnecessary war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and will cost at least $2 trillion. Enough to rebuild every road, bridge and tunnel in America. How can you possibly excuse this? The blood is on the hands of the geniuses who trusted Bush, and now we're supposed to trust a guy who wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely instead of one who called the war a terrible idea from day one? Get ****ed.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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What was George H W Bush's response to Pan AM flight being bombed over Lockerbrie?

What was Reagan's response to the marine baracks being truck bombed in lebanon? Or when the US embassy was bombed killing 63 people?

During 1983-1984 there were FOUR major attacks against US civillians or forces abroad and REAGAN DID NOTHING.

NOTHING. But history remembers Reagan as some John Wayne because he invaded the powerhouse Grenada and he had Ghadaffi's infant child killed in an airstrike over the guy's house.

What was

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I stated my case and gave you examples. You agreed with me on one issue I brought up and dodged the other 3. Sometimes the truth hurts.

If you fail to see how the comments YOU made are predjudiced, well there isn't a whole lot else I can do.

Apparently you can't state the examples of what I dodged...I answered 3 of your staements...what else do you want?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

How doe that not fit with your previous post? Do you disagree about both historical incidents?

This is your quote:

Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

Hitler killed 6 million people because they were Jewish and it "didnt have much to do with religion"?

Timmi, that is soooo dumb i feel like i am getting dumber responding to it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Seriously? The hell difference does it make what your friend in the Navy thought we'd find? What kind of point is that? Did we find anything? Did the U.N. Inspectors find anything? Did it matter?

Bush used the ripe fear from 9/11 to scare everyone into going with the war. The Democrats don't get a free pass from me, but the Bush administration is ultimately responsible.

They were the ones pulling the god damn trigger, what difference does it make what the American people thought? The fact that the majority of the country was for the war doesn't mean anything. The bottom line is that this was a totally unnecessary war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and will cost at least $2 trillion. Enough to rebuild every road, bridge and tunnel in America. How can you possibly excuse this? The blood is on the hands of the geniuses who trusted Bush, and now we're supposed to trust a guy who wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely instead of one who called the war a terrible idea from day one? Get ****ed.

Gosh Joey I never knew how much of a little b1tch you are!

The fact is the government, the people of this country, and 39 OTHER countries believed in this war and the cause.

Its always easier to monday morning quarterback.

If the middle east ever become a stable region.. Bush will be regarded as a hero. YOU take the threat of the middle east way too lightly Joey.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

This is your quote:

Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

Hitler killed 6 million people because they were Jewish and it "didnt have much to do with religion"?

Timmi, that is soooo dumb i feel like i am getting dumber responding to it.

Do I really have to explain this...I'm shocked! Hitlers solution to inferior races wasn't based on religion..was based on cleaning up Germanys' bloodlines for the Master race..DOH!

[Mike]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE SOUTHEAST PORTION of a country being all one color in presidential elections, I think it's time to let them live as they see fit, and let the rest of the country live the way they see fit. We aren't even close on viewpoint on very much at all. Really, go be what you want to be. If that lights up red as fkn Rudolf Reindeer's nose this year(again,) then certainly it's time to consider letting them have their own country. The Electoral College has caused this resentment. This monochromatic cluster of micro majorities has gotten old. Nevada, Colorado, Ohio, New Hampshire,and Virginia are the close states. There is no clear cut massive blue cluster, The IMMEDIATE COASTS ARE BLUE, BUT INLAND THEY ARE NOT NEARLY AS BLUE, AND SOME RED STATES. The obvious cluster is the Southeast. Go. Be your own people. Outlaw abortion. Hava a rifle in every truck, van and car. Give gays bus fare, and tell them to be on their way. $4 MINIMUM WAGE...Lower taxes on corporate profits. Be proud when EXXON MOBIL reports 15 bil in quarterly profits (that increased because you've cut their taxes by a 3rd.) Whatever you want to do. Just go. Be proud of your Southern Values, but please do it in your own neck country. Thank You. You should want to do this. Why be trying to keep this fake dance up? We don't like your neck values, and you have every right to dislike our values. At some point, it becomes time to separate when people just don't have enough in common. Zig I simply disagree that the Southeast part of this country has anything to contribute to the rest of the country( Not anymore.) Any commerce will continue as is. You'll just get to make the neck laws that fit the area you live in. That's the best for all parties involved.

Can we give a round of applause to Scuds for getting this discussion started. The United States will need another civil war, I can't imagine the geographical separation can come in a peaceful, organized fashion. There will, unfortunately be enemies in every state and town, just more outnumbered. I imagine this Civil War will be very bloody and take it's toll on the American psyche

How should we split up the states? Any thoughts?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

What were Clinton's response again?

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What was his responce to the Oklahoma City bombing?

What did you want him to do about it .... declare war on Spain?

Why don't you try and pin Columbine on him while you're at it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm done. After this: Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!, there isn't any way you are of sound mind. And I've already wasted enough of my week arguing with morons. Just be honest, that's all.

run away bitch! take your head outta your ass before you really do some damage!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Gosh Joey I never knew how much of a little b1tch you are!

The fact is the government, the people of this country, and 39 OTHER countries believed in this war and the cause.

Its always easier to monday morning quarterback.

If the middle east ever become a stable region.. Bush will be regarded as a hero. YOU take the threat of the middle east way too lightly Joey.

Because they were given misleading information and it indeed has been PROVEN that the "evidence" laid out was not genuine.

Lets say I want a job to work with your company antitrust. I provide a resume. You look at it as does your board and you decide to hire me based on my resume'.

Two years later, your company is in shambles because of hiring me. It turns out that it was a mistake and that everything you thought beforehand based on my resume was wrong. And, after investigating, you find out that I LIED about everything on the resume in order to get the job.

Can you and the board really be to blame for the bad hire? Or is it more fair to blame ME because I LIED?