Obama wrong yet again

He really comes off as a big p.ussy. Apologies or not.

[dellinger63]

[quote=Riot][quote=Antitrust32]lol I cant believe I'm arguing something that is so fucl<ing obvious.

Not to point out the obvious, but you are not "arguing" anything.

You're just repeating something over and over, and getting angry and swearing when asked what you are referring to.

probably cause you're acting like a child with her fingers in her ears yelling LALALALALALALALALALALALALAlALAL

[dellinger63]

then again this subject isn't 'thread worthy' LMAO

[Riot]

[quote=dellinger63][quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

lol I cant believe I'm arguing something that is so fucl<ing obvious.

probably cause you're acting like a child with her fingers in her ears yelling LALALALALALALALALALALALALAlALAL

No, my ears are open. Just waiting for you to set me straight with some reality.

[Riot]

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.

Here's the full text of that TV interview (at the bottom under "transcript")
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/27/65087.html

Can someone quote me the "apologized on our behalf" part? I can't seem to find it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If you are going to quote from other sources ( when was the last time you used the word "obsequious" in a sentence), can you list what they are?

Lol, because the first part at least is from WND and an article by Star Parker.

You can't attribute WND or Star Parker as a source or you'll get laughed out of the room.

They're like HuffPo on dishonest steroids.

I would say I'm with Riot in wanting to actually see some apologies before blasting him for having apologized...but why worry about things like direct quotes when Star Parker and Worldnet Daily are here to tell you how things actually are.

LOLZ

[Riot]

We don't need Star Parker, WND or the HuffPost's interpretations, we have the actual transcript of Obamas real words to discuss. Let's see what parts people don't like.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He really comes off as a big p.ussy. Apologies or not.

Leave it to Coach to spell it out in such a simple, truthfull way.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

We don't need Star Parker, WND or the HuffPost's interpretations, we have the actual transcript of Obamas real words to discuss. Let's see what parts people don't like.

I'm with you completely. It's not an "apology tour" because crazy Star Parker says it's so. The lack of direct quotations is telling.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Lol, because the first part at least is from WND and an article by Star Parker.

You can't attribute WND or Star Parker as a source or you'll get laughed out of the room.

They're like HuffPo on dishonest steroids.

I would say I'm with Riot in wanting to actually see some apologies before blasting him for having apologized...but why worry about things like direct quotes when Star Parker and Worldnet Daily are here to tell you how things actually are.

LOLZ

what do u think of the white house asking the supreme court not to hear the case about dont ask dont tell?

he's going to lose a lot of votes if he keeps flip flopping on gay rights.

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what do u think of the white house asking the supreme court not to hear the case about dont ask dont tell?

he's going to lose a lot of votes if he keeps flip flopping on gay rights.

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

Is it that he admitted it that bothers you, or that you don't actually believe that to be true?

If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional.

And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

http://ifawebnews.com/2009/05/27/oba...surance-plans/

Yup, right from the horse’s mouth, comes this statement that the Obama Administration believes that cutting brokers out of the health insurance equation is the right thing to do.

Nancy-Ann DeParle, President Obama’s director of White House of Health Reform, speaking during a recent media briefing, said of health care reform: “A public plan is something that’s sponsored by the government, and therefore has very low or almost nonexistent administrative costs, compared to others. It doesn’t have the need to have brokers out selling; it wouldn’t have the need to have a lot of costs and profits, the way private plans would. So it has that advantage.”

This from an Oxford- and Harvard-educated professional who served under President Clinton as head of the Health Financing Administration, which today is known as the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Studies.

It sounds as if some of the old Hillary-Healthcare speak is back in practice.

Yes the administrative costs for Medicare are tremendously low.

And 1-800-Medicare has grate customer service. Just ask your grandparents!!

What do they expect the thousands of health insurance agents to do?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Is it that he admitted it that bothers you, or that you don't actually believe that to be true?

If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional.

And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American.


I didnt really like the whole "we are fine with kicking gays out of the military" line the white house gave today. not an exact quote but thats what it meant.

But I gotta jet have a good night my fellow citizen!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American.

So if he says it to Americans, it's admitting our faults.
If he says it to non-Americans, it's criticism of America?

It's the same thing, to begin with. The internet means that non-Americans can see him "admitting our faults" to Americans....does it instantly turn into criticism when a non-American is viewing it or hearing it? The logic just doesn't make sense.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

What did you think about Obama then immediately attacking Europe for it's anti-Americanism, and pointing out what good our great country has done? And telling Europe they are dependent upon America?

He gets no credit for standing up for America on the world stage?

Sorry - this doesn't seem a "tour of apology" to me.

It's acknowledging that what you even agree are basic truths - where we are in the world right now.

"In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognising the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what is bad. On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated.

They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America."

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Leave it to Coach to spell it out in such a simple, truthfull way.

Yeah damn straight.
Just beat your woman over the head
with a club and pull her by the hair to
the sex cave.

Very simple, very effective.
Brute ignorance (or strength).

[Riot]

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.

I found what the person above must be talking about - good lord, what a whacky interpretion!

Transcript from the interview (not the whole thing):

Q: Absolutely. Let me take a broader look at the whole region. You are planning to address the Muslim world in your first 100 days from a Muslim capital. And everybody is speculating about the capital. (Laughter) If you have anything further, that would be great. How concerned are you -- because, let me tell you, honestly, when I see certain things about America -- in some parts, I don't want to exaggerate -- there is a demonization of America.

THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely.

Q: It's become like a new religion, and like a new religion it has new converts -- like a new religion has its own high priests.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: It's only a religious text.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: And in the last -- since 9/11 and because of Iraq, that alienation is wider between the Americans and -- and in generations past, the United States was held high. It was the only Western power with no colonial legacy.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: How concerned are you and -- because people sense that you have a different political discourse. And I think, judging by (inaudible) and
Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden and all these, you know -- a chorus --

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I noticed this. They seem nervous.

Q: They seem very nervous, exactly. Now, tell me why they should be more nervous?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that when you look at the rhetoric that they've been using against me before I even took office --

Q: I know, I know.

THE PRESIDENT: -- what that tells me is that their ideas are bankrupt. There's no actions that they've taken that say a child in the Muslim world is getting a better education because of them, or has better health care because of them.

In my inauguration speech, I spoke about: You will be judged on what you've built, not what you've destroyed. And what they've been doing is destroying things. And over time, I think the Muslim world has recognized that that path is leading no place, except more death and destruction.

Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries.

Q: The largest one.

THE PRESIDENT: The largest one, Indonesia. And so what I want to
communicate is the fact that in all my travels throughout the Muslim world, what I've come to understand is that regardless of your faith -- and America is a country of Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers -- regardless of your faith, people all have certain common hopes and common dreams.

And my job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives. My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that. Andthat I think is going to be an important task.

But ultimately, people are going to judge me not by my words but by my actions and my administration's actions. And I think that what you will see over the next several years is that I'm not going to agree with everything that some Muslim leader may say, or what's on a television station in the Arab world -- but I think that what you'll see is somebody who is listening, who is respectful, and who is trying to promote the interests not just of the United States, but also ordinary people who right now are suffering from poverty and a lack of opportunity. I want to make sure that I'm speaking to them, as well.

Q: Tell me, time is running out, any decision on from where you will be visiting the Muslim world?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm not going to break the news right here.

Q: Afghanistan?

THE PRESIDENT: But maybe next time. But it is something that is going to be important. I want people to recognize, though, that we are going to be making a series of initiatives. Sending George Mitchell to the Middle East is fulfilling my campaign promise that we're not going to wait until the end of my administration to deal with Palestinian and Israeli peace, we're going to start now. It may take a long time to do, but we're going to do it now.

We're going to follow through on our commitment for me to address the Muslim world from a Muslim capital. We are going to follow through on many of my commitments to do a more effective job of reaching out, listening, as well as speaking to the Muslim world.

And you're going to see me following through with dealing with a drawdown of troops in Iraq, so that Iraqis can start taking more responsibility. And finally, I think you've already seen a commitment, in terms of closing Guantanamo, and making clear that even as we are decisive in going after terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians, that we're going to do so on our terms, and we're going to do so respecting the rule of law that I think makes America great.

Q: President Bush framed the war on terror conceptually in a way that was very broad, "war on terror," and used sometimes certain terminology that the many people -- Islamic fascism. You've always framed it in a different way, specifically against one group called al Qaeda and their collaborators. And is this one way of --

THE PRESIDENT: I think that you're making a very important point. And that is that the language we use matters. And what we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations -- whether Muslim or any other faith in the past -- that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith's name.

And so you will I think see our administration be very clear in
distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda -- that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it -- and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop. We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful. I cannot respect terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians and we will hunt them down.

But to the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yeah damn straight.
Just beat your woman over the head
with a club and pull her by the hair to
the sex cave.

Very simple, very effective.
Brute ignorance (or strength).

Pat Gardner. Physics Teacher. Internet Tough Guy.

[hi_im_god]

the speech rightfully impressed the international community and most patriotic americans. they saw a mature president whose foreign policy is motivated by a desire for reconciliation and partnership. and he could do it in complete coherent sentences.

what's depressing is the reaction of the right. mitt romney called the president's effort an apology trip which is then vomited all over the internet, including here. rush says he sided with al-qaida. and the dumbest guy in the senate, jim inhofe calls the president un-american.

republicans want to pretend they're tough. but what really comes through is fear. they're scared of dialogue and scared of empathy. they're scared of complexity and ambiguity.

and they're particularly scared of an america that elected a black guy and isn't as easily rattled as they are.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the speech rightfully impressed the international community and most patriotic americans. they saw a mature president whose foreign policy is motivated by a desire for reconciliation and partnership. and he could do it in complete coherent sentences.

what's depressing is the reaction of the right. mitt romney called the president's effort an apology trip which is then vomited all over the internet, including here. rush says he sided with al-qaida. and the dumbest guy in the senate, jim inhofe calls the president un-american.

republicans want to pretend they're tough. but what really comes through is fear. they're scared of dialogue and scared of empathy. they're scared of complexity and ambiguity.

and they're particularly scared of an america that elected a black guy and isn't as easily rattled as they are.

Only thing Im scared of is my mom.