Zenyetta vs Racheal - Page 9

alysheba4 · #**161** 08-13-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I feel the only reasons she undefeated is because she runs on plastic, congrats to her for winning all those races but she wouldnt be undefeated if she raced on the east coast.

....yeah, the east coast is loaded with monsters

King Glorious · #**162** 08-13-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

So how did Well Armed do Last week in the San Diego????

How did Heatseeker, Tiago, and Zenyatta do at Oaklawn last year? How did I Want Revenge do in the Wood this year? How did Papa Clem do in Arkansas? How did Intangaroo do in the Humana Distaff and the Ballerina last year? How did Black Seventeen do in the Vosburgh last year or Midnight Lute in the Forego the year before that?

Travis Stone · #**163** 08-13-2009, 03:50 PM

This thread is beyond ridiculous now.

SniperSB23 · #**164** 08-13-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

How did Heatseeker, Tiago, and Zenyatta do at Oaklawn last year? How did I Want Revenge do in the Wood this year? How did Papa Clem do in Arkansas? How did Intangaroo do in the Humana Distaff and the Ballerina last year? How did Black Seventeen do in the Vosburgh last year or Midnight Lute in the Forego the year before that?

But what about Spring at Last in the Donn? Oh wait, never mind.

10 pnt move up · #**165** 08-13-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

How did Heatseeker, Tiago, and Zenyatta do at Oaklawn last year? How did I Want Revenge do in the Wood this year? How did Papa Clem do in Arkansas? How did Intangaroo do in the Humana Distaff and the Ballerina last year? How did Black Seventeen do in the Vosburgh last year or Midnight Lute in the Forego the year before that?

Its just silly...I will be the first to say the middle class level in socal is gone...but there are still alot of big time runners at the top, this is proven year in and year out, the top races are shown to deserve to be top races from a historical perspective. Any race can have a down year or field.

10 pnt move up · #**166** 08-13-2009, 03:52 PM

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But what about Spring at Last in the Donn? Oh wait, never mind.

so any horse that does not win when shipping means they come out of bad races....

keep betting, bet a lot. that is a very weak opinion.

kgar311 · #**167** 08-13-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

How did Heatseeker, Tiago, and Zenyatta do at Oaklawn last year? How did I Want Revenge do in the Wood this year? How did Papa Clem do in Arkansas? How did Intangaroo do in the Humana Distaff and the Ballerina last year? How did Black Seventeen do in the Vosburgh last year or Midnight Lute in the Forego the year before that?

And all those horses were undefeated and considered champions on Poly???

SniperSB23 · #**168** 08-13-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

so any horse that does not win when shipping means they come out of bad races....

keep betting, bet a lot. that is a very weak opinion.

You missed my point. Spring at Last won the Donn.

10 pnt move up · #**169** 08-13-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This thread is beyond ridiculous now.

yea but its passing time....in this argument the LA Derby should be a overnight based on the derby results.

10 pnt move up · #**170** 08-13-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You missed my point. Spring at Last won the Donn.

lol, honestly did not remember that, or even watch the race. I thought Einstein won.

Smooth Operator · #**171** 08-13-2009, 03:55 PM

Wow, 30k claimers going to Cali and taking down G1s ... and the greatest filly in the history of the world is afraid to come out. Amazing

Should be an automatic win for her...

10 pnt move up · #**172** 08-13-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wow, 30k claimers going to Cali and taking down G1s ... and the greatest filly in the history of the world is afraid to come out. Amazing

Should be an automatic win for her...

lol, well put

kgar311 · #**173** 08-13-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wow, 30k claimers going to Cali and taking down G1s ... and the greatest filly in the history of the world is afraid to come out. Amazing

Should be an automatic win for her...

No, it just goes to show you that poly can turn below average horses into G1 winners. Its not a surface you can crown champions on.

NTamm1215 · #**174** 08-13-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

He won the Travers....just more reason the SA Derby should be downgraded...winning the Travers aint much winning.

I agree with your point but am cognizant of the fact that last year's Travers was one of the worst ever.

The field since is a combined 11-68 with exactly three stakes wins going two turns on the dirt/synth (two of them belonging to Macho Again).

NT

10 pnt move up · #**175** 08-13-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I agree with your point but am cognizant of the fact that last year's Travers was one of the worst ever.

The field since is a combined 11-68 with exactly three stakes wins going two turns on the dirt/synth (two of them belonging to Macho Again).

NT

Its not the first year a socal hors has won that race, its happened a few times, thats one race as an example.

SniperSB23 · #**176** 08-13-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I agree with your point but am cognizant of the fact that last year's Travers was one of the worst ever.

The field since is a combined 11-68 with exactly three stakes wins going two turns on the dirt/synth (two of them belonging to Macho Again).

NT

Who, if I recall correctly, had a trip from hell.

10 pnt move up · #**177** 08-13-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Who, if I recall correctly, had a trip from hell.

cause I bet him...the world hates me

Danzig · #**178** 08-13-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Shouldnt the best older mare in the country be racing in the best races? We have 30k claiming horses going to Cali and winning grade 1 races. We also have monster 3yr olds prepping for the Kentucky derby out in Cali and when they come to Churchill and people are touting them as next triple crown winners, they end up looking like below average horses.

her owners live in california, the trainer is based there-i'm sure there are many who think california racing is top notch. i'm not going to argue the point. yes, a top cali horse was touted by some as being a future t.c. winner. but lots of horses get hype each spring, regardless of where they run. a poly horse might end up looking average on dirt, or he may come east and win the travers like col. john did.

my point is, zenyatta is a top notch horse and has run on more than one surface, and on more than one track, and remains perfect.
rachel has run at multiple tracks, and annihilates her competition.
why either horse has anyone knocking them i can't and i don't understand. i think this thread has gotten well beyond ridiculous.

as for 30k claimers, they don't just appear in cali and win-no doubt that has happened at some point at any racing venue.

Danzig · #**179** 08-13-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I feel the only reasons she undefeated is because she runs on plastic, congrats to her for winning all those races but she wouldnt be undefeated if she raced on the east coast.

and you don't know that for sure. hate poly all you want, but you have no way of knowing, or proving that point.

JerseyJ · #**180** 08-13-2009, 11:56 PM

How about these horses like Big Booster, Church Service, Black Astor, and these horses that aren't much in New York, are running for tags at Belmont, and all of a sudden show up and win G2 and G3 races in California. There's another Mitchell horse that escapes my mind right now because I think he's retired who came right out there out of the claiming ranks in New York and won a graded stakes out there. I mean, the horses that Zenyatta's beating would be hard pressed to win a listed stakes at Saratoga, let alone a G3 or G2on the East Coast. Rachel Alexandra is a special horse who might just be the best horse in training right now.