Cash for Clunkers Success

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

2/3 from Medicare-Medicad inefficiency cutting, 1/3 from lowering
tax deductions on those that make over $250K per year from 36% to 28% (making that bracket deduction limits like the vast majority of other Americans)

This has already been shown to be far fetched. Why would a system that is patterned after medicare be more efficient especially when it will be a whole lot bigger?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is not currently "one plan", 'Zig, there are three (or four, can't remember if two or three in the House) What details are you so concerned about?

So we are going to enact 4 plans?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. There have always been crazy fringes on the far right and the far left, and the far right whackos are having their moment in the sun now. These people are not imaginary, they are most obviously right there - like the Libertarian that carried the gun strapped to his leg to outside the Obama town hall meetin in NH.

They are not the majority, obviously, but they are not imaginary. You need to go watch some videos of the town hall meetings even GOP congressional members and blue dogs have been suffering through, as far as disruptions.

Nonsense is right. The "protests" from the right have been far tamer and smaller than the lunatic left and its anti-war or anything Bush protesters ever thought to be. There are just as many radical left protesters showing up at these events however for some reason we dont get to see them. Wonder why that is?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So we are going to enact 4 plans?

You are so unfamiliar with the subject at hand, that you do not know there are 2 (or three?) plans being developed within House Committees, there is one being developed in Senate Committee, and after recess they will all come together and hammer out a final health reform bill, which they will then vote upon?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You mean exactly like the current US socialist programs: Medicare, Medicad, and Veterans benefits?

Since when are medicare or medicade taxes more than 2 or 3 %?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This has already been shown to be far fetched. Why would a system that is patterned after medicare be more efficient especially when it will be a whole lot bigger?

Why would you think it would be a "whole lot" bigger?

Medicare currently has about 43 million people, Medicad has about 53 million, and people who are currently uninsured in the US are about 46 million, and it's estimated about 36 million of those uninsured people would be insured under a healthcare reform bill.

Of course, that doesn't count the Death Panel government officials taking over control (by armed goon squads) of the private health insurance of the other 290 million people in the country. They will do it by secretly sending death rays out from digital television converters to grannies over 70 years old. Tinfoil hats prevents that, you know.

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are so unfamiliar with the subject at hand, that you do not know there are 2 (or three?) plans being developed within House Committees, there is one being developed in Senate Committee, and after recess they will all come together and hammer out a final health reform bill, which they will then vote upon?

And you have the scoop on all these plans? Have you read them? While I do vaguely understand how Congress works, it seems to me that every day these vaunted plans change based upon which way the wind blows. Did you see your people backtracking today on the news shows?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I am well aware of the details, I've watched all three Town Hall meetings this past week, I've read all that Fox and WSJ etc. have said on the other side, and I'm going by what the CBO has said last week.

Regarding other issues, yes, they are more wide-ranging than health care. But health care is on the table now, and everyone associated with it - including Obama - have said they will not sign off on it if it adds to the deficit (if it cannot be self-funding)

All Obama's hand picked town hall meetings.

The thought that this will be self funding is so laughable that I can not believe anyone believes that. They know it cant be but once they have it in place , you know what happens. A massive govt program that pays for itself. Yeah sure.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No, I don't limit myself to thinking only what Fox News tells me to think.

I believe that my "thinking" comes from a far more diverse range of sources than yours considering that you seem to be content with reading White House press releases for your info.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Horses have very expensive and very exclusionary healthcare, with little to no "workman's comp" types of provisions.

Actually horses healthcare is far less expensive than humans

[SOREHOOF]

Are we still going to cover illegal aliens? They were counted among the "uninsured".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, you've already received a tax cut from Obama, and there is no talk of increasing taxes on anyone making less than $250K a year.

this is so ludicrious....

[SOREHOOF]

HUGE shortfalls in Federal tax revenue so far this year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

HUGE shortfalls in Federal tax revenue so far this year.

lowest in decades from what i saw the other day. but, it'll all be ok.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lowest in decades from what i saw the other day. but, it'll all be ok.

More Govt. spending! That's the cure . Lower taxes always brings in more $$.

[Danzig]

as for the original subject of this thread....only 2% of all submissions by dealers has been paid thus far. yet another example of your govt. bureacracy in action. they are so efficient with time and money, it's really amazing.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm done. .

you were done a long time ago and now are simply burned.

We will try and carry on for small businesses etc. If we had the we'd build a Politcal DT Memorial to you but we don't.

Take Care

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why would you think it would be a "whole lot" bigger?

Medicare currently has about 43 million people, Medicad has about 53 million, and people who are currently uninsured in the US are about 46 million, and it's estimated about 36 million of those uninsured people would be insured under a healthcare reform bill.

Of course, that doesn't count the Death Panel government officials taking over control (by armed goon squads) of the private health insurance of the other 290 million people in the country. They will do it by secretly sending death rays out from digital television converters to grannies over 70 years old. Tinfoil hats prevents that, you know.

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary.

Dont fret......Team Zero is gonna "bail out" on the whole mess pretty quick now!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If we had the we'd build a Politcal DT Memorial to you but we don't.

Let's see:
You believe Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Cannon believes "death panels" are real.

Naw. Don't build a DT Political Memorial, you guys definitely need all your tin foil, don't waste it