Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

altho harvard may not have been knocking on nascar's door, i resent when people say that military people had no other choice. i'm a vet, so is my husband, so is my oldest son. my youngest son is currently in boot camp in great lakes, ill (all of us are navy). he turned down an lsu full ride as he wants to be a pilot (f-35's), and perhaps some day an astronaut. but he may have to settle for nuclear engineer. yeah, he's a dummy. we don't have the best military in the world because only dummies with no other recourse join. i don't know where that started, but i really wish it would stop.

I could be wrong and if so I will come back and apologize when jms responds....but my interpretation was jms wasn't speaking of all military. Just Nascar.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Let me ask you why should my taxpaying money go into something im not going to be using? Im probably not the only one asking this question. Im not afraid to ask it either.

I know. I totally feel the same way about VA healthcare, military folks getting free rides to college, and their pensions.*

I'm not using any of those, so maybe they could separate my tax dollars out so they don't pay for them, right?

Your "I've got mine (from your tax dollars), so f*ck you (and be sure not to touch my tax dollars)" schtick would be laughable if it weren't so goddamn pathetic.

*with the disclaimer that I am not actually against any of these things, but Nascar's logic (if you could even call it that), means that he shouldn't get any of the things he so cherishes, because people who won't ever be using them are the ones paying for them.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

altho harvard may not have been knocking on nascar's door, i resent when people say that military people had no other choice. i'm a vet, so is my husband, so is my oldest son. my youngest son is currently in boot camp in great lakes, ill (all of us are navy). he turned down an lsu full ride as he wants to be a pilot (f-35's), and perhaps some day an astronaut. but he may have to settle for nuclear engineer. yeah, he's a dummy. we don't have the best military in the world because only dummies with no other recourse join. i don't know where that started, but i really wish it would stop.

Please give me a little credit. Nascar's postings on these threads should leave no doubt that college wasn't an option regardless of what he says. For chrisakes West point and Annapolis are among the toughest schools out there. They certainly are not turning out dummies. But at least I gave you a chance to red board your breeding abilities my post was meant for one and only one person. And for the record I am not against military pensions but chose to use it to point out the hypocrisy in his postings.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I could be wrong and if so I will come back and apologize when jms responds....but my interpretation was jms wasn't speaking of all military. Just Nascar.

perhaps. i hope so. and if so, i apologize for getting snarky. it's just one of my pet peeves.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Dont care. Did you forget your remark you made in nascar1966 fan club thread or did you delete it already?

Does this bring up any memories:


#30 04-24-2010, 07:02 AM
jms62
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Is it a requirement that you wear a white sheet and hood to be a member of this club?

Looks racist to me whiny @ss.

REALLY!?!?! REALLY!??!?! You post an out of context QUESTION that was directed at you as your evidence!?!?! Do you really in your feeble mind think for one second that anyone posting on these threads would buy the absolute nonsense you are attempting to pass as evidence. You do realize that you are insulting the intelligence of all here by even making the attempt.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.

No i'm happy for you that your knee is fine. Good luck with riding.. I'm scared of heights. I prefer ground work with horses and / or betting on them (every once and awhile)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Thanks. Me too, but I doubt it will ever happen. They outlawyer us. People have won rather easily against this, but you have to hang on for the 6-8 years of expensive delay the insurance company lawyers are expert at, until it gets to court. People can't afford that, when they are risking losing their houses to pay for a sudden hospital bill the insurance company was supposed to pay, then decided not to.

i was gonna say before... dont spend too much money on lawyers!

[Riot]

Not to mention the overcrowding of the entire healthcare system that will have no other choice than to reduce/ration care for everyone

Those people are getting healthcare now, but only emergency - they are tying up emergency rooms and trauma centers for diabetes blood checks and colds/flu, sprains, etc!

Get them insurance so they get preventive care (lowering all our healthcare costs, because we pay for them in the ER), get them out of the ER and hospitals, and get them into a regular doctor's office where they belong.

I believe the subsidizing of medical students in return for a certain amount of service in return is a great idea as these new Dr.'s could do internships and residencies at government run hospitals treating government supported patients. This would be constitutional IMO, allow those unable to buy insurance to be treated and no changes would be made to those who are happy with their current care.

The government does that now - provides educational subsidies for doctors, they replay loans with service. The army does it, too. Ever see the show Northern Exposure? Yes, I agree expansion of those programs would be great. Trouble is, that puts a newly credentialed doctor who just came off 4 plus years of lowpaid work (intern, residency) and puts them right in another few years of low paid work. This is when people want to start families, etc. They are 35-40 years old before they then join a practice, and start to make any money to pay off student loans. Let alone buy the house, etc. That's why those programs are not popular with doctors.

I would rather have insurance costs lowered so more Americans can be insured, pay for their own insurance, all our costs go down for insurance because the pools are bigger, they start getting better healthcare for preventive care so everyone gets healthier, which brings all our costs down.

Rather than leaving them uninsured and depending upon others for charity.

Edit: Dell, have you heard what's happened in Arizona? Real death panels. Governor Jan Brewer has taken money away from anybody on the state medicaid that needs a transplant, to save money in the overall state budget. Two people have died already.

One person's operation was canceled the morning they were being wheeled into a surgery suite to get a new liver - a friend had died and given them the liver, but that was the morning Jan Brewer cancelled the funding. That person never got that liver.

Other state legislators are furious, and have come up with other ways to keep that program funded but cut the funding from non-life-threatening portions of the state budget, but Jan Brewer refuses to address it.

What do you think of that, Dell? When withholding money kills real people with real families? And they are not "freeloaders" on the state.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

No i'm happy for you that your knee is fine. Good luck with riding.. I'm scared of heights. I prefer ground work with horses and / or betting on them (every once and awhile)

Connemara pony! A Shetland pony cart! You could even do cross-country

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i was gonna say before... dont spend too much money on lawyers!

Exactly, and that's why insurance companies have been able to get away with rescission. People have illness or operations, the insurance tells the patient, doctor and hospital they'll pay, they approve the admit then whoops - they decide later not to pay.

People now have huge medical bills threatening their mortgages, etc, they can't spend money on lawyers to chase down these insurance companies.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those people are getting healthcare now, but only emergency - they are tying up emergency rooms and trauma centers for diabetes blood checks and colds/flu, sprains, etc!

Get them insurance so they get preventive care (lowering all our healthcare costs, because we pay for them in the ER), get them out of the ER and hospitals, and get them into a regular doctor's office where they belong.



The government does that now - provides educational subsidies for doctors, they replay loans with service. The army does it, too. Ever see the show Northern Exposure? Yes, I agree expansion of those programs would be great. Trouble is, that puts a newly credentialed doctor who just came off 4 plus years of lowpaid work (intern, residency) and puts them right in another few years of low paid work. This is when people want to start families, etc. They are 35-40 years old before they then join a practice, and start to make any money to pay off student loans. Let alone buy the house, etc. That's why those programs are not popular with doctors.

I would rather have insurance costs lowered so more Americans can be insured, pay for their own insurance, all our costs go down for insurance because the pools are bigger, they start getting better healthcare for preventive care so everyone gets healthier, which brings all our costs down.

Rather than leaving them uninsured and depending upon others for charity.

If a person is going to the ER for a diabetes blood check, that is a waste of the ER. I do my own checks. They are very easy to do and all it is a little pinch.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you come to Lexington you can ride it

How nice of you to offer that to me.

[Nascar1966]

I took a job that gave me a pension and excellent medical care. Dont be jealous at what I have and you dont have. I earned it by working just like most of you people here work. I dont collect Welfare, Food Stamps, and free housing like other people do because they dont want to get off thier dead @ss and do the right thing and get a job. Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout. If your not collecting a pension not my fault. You should of found a job that would of given you a pension. Most of you here have no clue about military life and the strain it puts on a family.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please give me a little credit. Nascar's postings on these threads should leave no doubt that college wasn't an option regardless of what he says. For chrisakes West point and Annapolis are among the toughest schools out there. They certainly are not turning out dummies. But at least I gave you a chance to red board your breeding abilities my post was meant for one and only one person. And for the record I am not against military pensions but chose to use it to point out the hypocrisy in his postings.

Did any prestigous college come knocking on your door? I love it your still jealous at what I have and what you want. I guess you feel it it is ok for a CEO at a company that was bailed out Obama to collect a great pension.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How nice of you to offer that to me.

It would probably be a more progressive horse, rather than a conservative horse, however

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I took a job that gave me a pension and excellent medical care. Dont be jealous at what I have and you dont have. I earned it by working just like most of you people here work. I dont collect Welfare, Food Stamps, and free housing like other people do because they dont want to get off thier dead @ss and do the right thing and get a job. Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout. If your not collecting a pension not my fault. You should of found a job that would of given you a pension. Most of you here have no clue about military life and the strain it puts on a family.

STFU

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

STFU

Go F Yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you like my new signature j@ck@ss?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout.

Do you think that there are some, if not many or most, getting "government handouts" (Medicaid, unemployment, SCHIPS for kids, etc) that are not deadbeats? That these programs do serve as a safety net for our fellow Americans who are suffering a rough time? That folks get off these programs as soon as they can?

Yes, I agree there are deadbeats, but I do not think that is the majority of people getting these handouts.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think that there are some, if not many or most, getting "government handouts" (Medicaid, unemployment, SCHIPS for kids, etc) that are not deadbeats? That these programs do serve as a safety net for our fellow Americans who are suffering a rough time? That folks get off these programs as soon as they can?

Did I say everyone was a deadbeat? I pass by a food bank in my area when I go to my Post Office Box and check to see if I have any mail. Most of these people who are there have a nicer vehicle than me. Im sure it is in a relative or child's name. Yet that person is paying for the car and insurance.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did I say everyone was a deadbeat?

I'm just trying to find out if you think the programs themselves are all inherently bad, and should be eliminated (like Dell does); or the programs are good but who gets aid needs to be carefully screened, etc.