Bernardini IS

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Mile and Sprint have historically had the most longshots. The Juvenile has had some beaten faves. The Distaff has had the most chalks.

And they say a woman is unpredictable...

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes I'm so silly. Bad me. Bad, bad, bad.

That's one way to respond ... but ...

... a better way would have been to check the records ... and then write ...

"Gee, Bold ... you were right ... Secretariat was a much better 3YO than Spectacular Bid. From now on my signature line will be:

Mineshaft was the best horse since Spectacular Bid. And Spectacular Bid was the best 4YO ever."

Yeah ... I think that would have been a bit better response ... don't you?

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I doubt it....................

And please don't buy into that "twit's" BS.

Did you know that Lucien could make a rope come up out of the basket without a pipe?

BTW, a clocker picked up he battery Sunday morning right by the clocker's stand just before the clubhouse turn.

Lucien could also make a soufflé without any eggs ... he used polytrack instead.

And the clocker who picked up the battery ... was the same one who timed the Preakness ... and who started his stopwatch while they were still loading into the starting gate.

Did you know that the very same battery is still used to start the engines on the QE2?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Lucien could also make a soufflé without any eggs ... he used polytrack instead.

And the clocker who picked up the battery ... was the same one who timed the Preakness ... and who started his stopwatch while they were still loading into the starting gate.

Did you know that the very same battery is still used to start the engines on the QE2?

Now you're talking about the battery???
Huh?
The same one that runs your pace maker after you clogged your arteries with all those eggs...colesterol?
Hope it doesn't run out of juice.
Might be a little problem though, ya know...getting oxygenated blood to your brain through those clogged juglars.
Keep posting. Eat more eggs. Stick your index fingers in the nearest outlet if you find the need.
If you get a bit desperate, go to the nearest subway station (not too far from your refigerator box) and lay yourself on the 3rd rail.
Tell us about the "bounce".

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Now you've done it, you're going to send the planets out of line and have the Bernardini Bunch come crashing down on you...Heaven forbid, someone looks at the race for what it was....

OMG, what the race WAS was a four horse field and all Bernardini had to do was run in 2:01 to win by many lenghts. Dont you think Javiar would want to save his horse for the classic instead of get everything out of his horse so he can run a faster time??? it WAS NOT a difficult race and it WAS NOT a spectacular time, but dont get down on a GREAT horse because he did all he was asked of.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

That's one way to respond ... but ...

... a better way would have been to check the records ... and then write ...

"Gee, Bold ... you were right ... Secretariat was a much better 3YO than Spectacular Bid. From now on my signature line will be:

Mineshaft was the best horse since Spectacular Bid. And Spectacular Bid was the best 4YO ever."

Yeah ... I think that would have been a bit better response ... don't you?

Yes, because I need to justify myself to some shmuck on a message board. I could give a rats ass what you think. And I never once in this thread even brought Spec Bid up. SO I have no clue why you dragged me into this to begin with....so "Gee Bold you were right, you are a deuche bag"

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes, because I need to justify myself to some shmuck on a message board. I could give a rats ass what you think. And I never once in this thread even brought Spec Bid up. SO I have no clue why you dragged me into this to begin with....so "Gee Bold you were right, you are a deuche bag"

Hmmm Randall,
Didn't take you too long to figure out this blowhard...huh?

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes, because I need to justify myself to some shmuck on a message board. I could give a rats ass what you think. And I never once in this thread even brought Spec Bid up. SO I have no clue why you dragged me into this to begin with....so "Gee Bold you were right, you are a deuche bag"

You bring Spectacular Bid up every time you post ... which is fine ... he was our last truly great horse.

If you don't want commentary on your comparison of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid ... don't post that comparison over and over again.

And the correct spelling is "douche" bag ... from the French word for washing.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You bring Spectacular Bid up every time you post ... which is fine ... he was our last truly great horse.

If you don't want commentary on your comparison of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid ... don't post that comparison over and over again.

And the correct spelling is "douche" bag ... from the French word for washing.

You go, Akeelah, err I mean deucebag.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You bring Spectacular Bid up every time you post ... which is fine ... he was our last truly great horse.

If you don't want commentary on your comparison of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid ... don't post that comparison over and over again.

And the correct spelling is "douche" bag ... from the French word for washing.

Sorry about that, my full breakdown will be coming up shortly, so don't go anywhere.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

see what i mean? it's ok to knock lava mans competition, but not bernardinis. right? and by your logic, if lava man is the best comp that bernie will face, than yeah, evidently it is a crappy field--since you think lava man stinks, right?

Exactly.

You guys aren't very good at reading comprehension. My point is that there's a great deal of hypocrisy in almost everything the Bernardini haters say. The same people who destroy Bernardini for beating no one are suspiciously silent whenever Lava Man is getting praise around here. This is ludicrous. They both have beaten nobody, yet Bernardini is the only one who attracts the "he beat nobody" gathering. That was all I was saying.

Originally Posted by pgardn

And who in Gods name is close to decent then ateam if Lava Man is not. Which outside of Cali I dont think he is. Are really telling me we got a bunch of good older horses? Is that what you are saying? Who are they? It has not been a good year and it is not Bernardinis fault. But I cant rate him the greatest in 30 years as one poster did. No way no how. I wonder if that poster has been alive 30 years.

The point is that you might as well not even respond to Bernardini posts anymore, because there's no way your opinion can be changed, no matter what he does at CD. So despite anything the horse does, you're gonna be singing the same tune.

Originally Posted by pgardn

And I can't even respond to "Smarty ran against much better horses and had a much more difficult schedule" without laughing myself blue.

Then why did you respond and laugh yourself blue?

Did I respond to that quote? No, I didn't.

Originally Posted by pgardn

In my humble definition of GREAT you have got to be pushed and come through some adversity. Yes in my definition, you have to do more than win. A horse has to win facing some adversity. If the horse is so great then why does he not run with more weight against his elders? Who cares if he is 3, he is GREAT, ATEAM says so, so weight him down in a HANDICAP instead of older horses. Handicap THE BEST HORSE.

The Jockey Club Gold Cup isn't a handicap. And it comes back to your same tired argument. Bernardini might as well retire, according to you. He'll never become great, because in order to do that, he has to beat horses that won't run against him. Greatness to me is earned with a mix of dominance, respect from others and an inexplicable quality, which is just that I'm blown away every time the horse runs. The only other horse besides this one that blew me away every time he ran was Ghostzapper. Like you said, I haven't been watching races forever, but since I have, those are the two who blew me away everytime they ran. Plus there's something I heard early on about this horse that I can't repeat here, which let me know that he could be great, and this statement has yet to be proven wrong.

Going back to Ghostzapper for a minute, there's something to be said about how much praise he gets around here these days. Back when he was running, I always felt like I was in the minority in thinking he was something special. But now, all I see is Ghostzapper this, Ghostzapper that. You think maybe there are certain people who just have a psychological tendency to not be able to appreciate great things until they're gone?

Originally Posted by pgardn

FACT: This is not a good year in the older division or the 3 yo division.

Really? That's a FACT? Not an opinion?

Originally Posted by pgardn

And I have already stated its not his fault numerous times. You making a post as absurd as this... makes me want the horse to lose which I dont. I want to see the horse beat some hot horses.

Yeah, I made the absurd post. You're already discrediting him for winning a "weak" Classic, and I'm off the deep end here.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Exactly.

1.The point is that you might as well not even respond to Bernardini posts anymore, because there's no way your opinion can be changed, no matter what he does at CD. So despite anything the horse does, you're gonna be singing the same tune.



2.Did I respond to that quote? No, I didn't.



3.The Jockey Club Gold Cup isn't a handicap. And it comes back to your same tired argument. Bernardini might as well retire, according to you. He'll never become great, because in order to do that, he has to beat horses that won't run against him. Greatness to me is earned with a mix of dominance, respect from others and an inexplicable quality, which is just that I'm blown away every time the horse runs. The only other horse besides this one that blew me away every time he ran was Ghostzapper. Like you said, I haven't been watching races forever, but since I have, those are the two who blew me away everytime they ran. Plus there's something I heard early on about this horse that I can't repeat here, which let me know that he could be great, and this statement has yet to be proven wrong.

4.Going back to Ghostzapper for a minute, there's something to be said about how much praise he gets around here these days. Back when he was running, I always felt like I was in the minority in thinking he was something special. But now, all I see is Ghostzapper this, Ghostzapper that. You think maybe there are certain people who just have a psychological tendency to not be able to appreciate great things until they're gone?



5.Really? That's a FACT? Not an opinion?



6.Yeah, I made the absurd post. You're already discrediting him for winning a "weak" Classic, and I'm off the deep end here.

1. I wont change my opinion? How do you know that? I need some tough races, and the BCC does give the opportunity. Especially if the horse gets into some traffic problems, which does not usually happen in 4 horse fields.

2. No you responded. Enough silly games like this.

3. I did not say the Jockey Club Gold was a handicap. Although I did imply it by adding older horses. I would be more impressed if the horse ran in a handicap like Mineshaft and really weighted down at distance. They actually used to run races with serious handicaps.

4. I never did this with Ghostzapper, although I was skeptical early on. He earned my respect. But I will never go bonkers over this horse being he was so fragile. I use longevity as one criteria. Thats why Smarty wont make it all the way either, except as a horse that ran some fantastic TC races as a 3yo. Seattle sees Candy Ride run one freak race here and he is sold this horse is the greatest ever. I think you see my point.

5. Oh very good ateam, its an opinion. Refute it.

6. You are not off the deep end. Like many others you have spotted a very good horse. Lets see him show he is great. Hope he gets the chance. There have been a number of very good horses in the past that did not get a chance.

Oh yes, this is an opinion to.

Ateam,
Noone hates Bernadini, and noone hated Ghostzapper.
In Zapper's case he was winning shorter races and beating SMALL fields, albeit better fields than Dini has but needed a "defining race" to show everyone how special he was and elevate him to "great" status. His BC Classic race was exactly that, he demolished and destroyed the field against his preferred running style to run an incredible figure.
Anyone who "hated" him or questioned him after that needs a straight jacket.
If Bernadini does the same thing then noone will question a thing about him either.
I think its quite fair to acknowledge Dini's immense talent yet still need to see a "defining race" out of him. Beating medocre horses or injured horses is NOT his fault. He can only beat what hes put up against. Noone with a brain is "hating" on him. Its just that need for a defining race that people wanna see.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ateam,
Its just that need for a defining race that people wanna see.

You can put me on record as stating "you'll NEVER see one". I could care less if he beats Andromeda's Hero and that other quitter by a half mile.

If he puts away HH going 7/8th's to a mile I'll readdress my statement.

[Travis Stone]

It's laughable. If a horse dominates a division, the division is weak. If no horse dominates a division, the division is weak. What will make people happy? Horseplayers are never happy.

[kenny p]

I looked at Bernadini in the paddock the other day. While I am not an expert like most of you people he is one of the most impressive looking thouroughbreds i have ever seen. He also seems to have a real presence about him. I hope he crushes the Classic field. I have been on this forum since May and it seems to becoming a place for smallminded idiots to belittle each other. Thats a shame because its run by a real classy guy. KP

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's laughable. If a horse dominates a division, the division is weak. If no horse dominates a division, the division is weak. What will make people happy? Horseplayers are never happy.

Black and white statements like yours are ridiculous. Stick to race calling.

Originally Posted by kenny p

I looked at Bernadini in the paddock the other day. While I am not an expert like most of you people he is one of the most impressive looking thouroughbreds i have ever seen. He also seems to have a real presence about him. I hope he crushes the Classic field. I have been on this forum since May and it seems to becoming a place for smallminded idiots to belittle each other. Thats a shame because its run by a real classy guy. KP

Kenny P, what is your definition of smallminded idiots? If its anyone who won't annoint Bernadini one of the greats yet, than you can add me proudly to that club of smallminded idiots.
I think everyone realizes that hes a very good horse, but some would like to see him take on those horses in the BCC and stamp himself as great before just handing that title over to him. I don't think thats at all unreasonable.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Black and white statements like yours are ridiculous. Stick to race calling.

What was wrong with his statement? I thought it was pretty accurate...

[kenny p]

Oracle .. My comment about smidiots had nothing to do with Bernadini. Its about the tone of the discussions here. Some are down right nasty. You seem to draw alot of venom with your posts( which I happen to like) ..the posts not the venom. I would like to see more talk about races than the constant sniping.KP