My theory and feelings on Polytrack - Page 9

#**161** 10-18-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

If you owned a Storm Cat mare you just paid $3 million for, you'd be singing a different tune.....

It isnt going to change overnight. That is insane to think of. It would take decades to change the breeding habits. I gurantee you that Storm Cat will be worth the same or even greater in the near future.

#**162** 10-18-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

GOD CREATED HORSES TO BE WORK ANIMALS, NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT THEY HAVE WORKED FOR HUMANSD SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME....A THOROUGHBRED IS A HORSE.....PERIOD....

I agree, but the thoroughbred was created by humans. Human experimented until they discovered the thoroughbred. They wanted a horse that could go long distances with very little water. And I dont think God ever created horses to be work animals. I dont think God said hey let me create this animal so humans can stick a 5 foot person on him and whip him so people can gamble and make money. I also dont think that God said hey let me create this horses so people can find it easier to plow their fields, or to get to point A to point B faster. That is crazy.

#**163** 10-18-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

GOD CREATED HORSES TO BE WORK ANIMALS, NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT THEY HAVE WORKED FOR HUMANSD SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME....A THOROUGHBRED IS A HORSE.....PERIOD....

I think I can change his mind... NOT.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #**164** 10-18-2006, 07:24 PM

Quite frankly, I'm a fan of the Storm Cats even though they are very fragile creatures. They run their hearts out, and I wouldn't mind riding one of those talented hot heads.

Honu · #**165** 10-18-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

If you owned a Storm Cat mare you just paid $3 million for, you'd be singing a different tune.....

I wouldnt own one. It is just my opinion but I think he is one sire that the racing world would be better off without. How many horses by Storm Cat do you see running past their 3 yr. old year?

SentToStud · #**166** 10-18-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Pgard,
If you can please answer as many of these questions as possible.

1) What is the average cost of maintaining a thoroughbred horse including vet bills, day rate by a trainer, shipping, and shoeing per year?

2) What percentage of owners show a profit on horses strictly through racing?

3) What is the formula for determining value of a sire before a stud deal is done?

4) Since the reformed tax legislation in the 80's which reversed the previous practice of being able to write off all horse racing business losses along with all other business losses, has ownership increased or decreased in thoroughbred horses?

1. $40k
2, 5%
3. E=MC(squared)
4. Decreased

Pretty sure about #3. The rest, not so certain.

paisjpq · #**167** 10-18-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Quite frankly, I'm a fan of the Storm Cats even though they are very fragile creatures. They run their hearts out, and I wouldn't mind riding one of those talented hot heads.

have you ever been around one? honu is right, they are like pissed off badgers...and that's on a good day.

TitanSooner · #**168** 10-18-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

If you owned a Storm Cat mare you just paid $3 million for, you'd be singing a different tune.....

I have trouble feeling sorry for anyone who spends 3 million on an animal.

#**169** 10-18-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I wouldnt own one. It is just my opinion but I think he is one sire that the racing world would be better off without. How many horses by Storm Cat do you see running past their 3 yr. old year?

I agree. I think Storm Cat and his fee is bad for horse racing.

#**170** 10-18-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanSooner

I have trouble feeling sorry for anyone who spends 3 million on an animal.

Damn, no wonder you're at Los Alaminos

..and no, I couldn't resist...

SniperSB23 · #**171** 10-18-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I wouldnt own one. It is just my opinion but I think he is one sire that the racing world would be better off without. How many horses by Storm Cat do you see running past their 3 yr. old year?

Good Reward!

Pointg5 · #**172** 10-18-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

And, most imprtantly, I PUT MY NAME OUT THERWE AND DON'T HIDE BEHIND A PHONY SCREEN NAME.....If you want to consider yourself as much of an insider, then you puit your name out there and let us know who you are - and then maybe you can teach the public about racig? Frankly, you can call it arrogance or what you will, but I get PMs all of the time with people who apparently aren't as 'advanced as you' who want my opinions on things and say that they learn from what I have to offer.....That is why I post here...So continue to hide behind your screen name and be a hater...

By the way, Did your mom name you DaHoss?..Or is this Michael Dickinson?

Do you really think the public wants to be taught from someone with your attitude...Maybe you come off differently in person, sometimes it's hard to tell someone's tone from a message board...If I was just coming to this board, I would take it that you shouldn't post here if and have an opinion and can't have an educated opinion, unless you are in the "industry"...

Some people can't post their names, because they aren't able to identify themselves on a public message board, I know I can't...

Besides, who cares what someone's name is, I am just a fan that loves the sport, nothing more, nothing less...I think I have an understanding of things and love to learn...What good would it do to know mine or Dahoss's name if that's what we are...

TitanSooner · #**173** 10-18-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Damn, no wonder you're at Los Alaminos

..and no, I couldn't resist...

what's Los Alaminos?

I really can't debate with someone who can't type.. honestly.

Honu · #**174** 10-18-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Good Reward!

Well there ya go, you found one.

#**175** 10-18-2006, 07:31 PM

I want to know who everyone is because when I become rich I am going to name my horses after people on this board.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #**176** 10-18-2006, 07:33 PM

Very good post Joel and 100% accurate. Nothing is worse than the people who simply mill around with this stuff saying 'too bad, its the future'. What a load of bull****. Its as simple as having an inner and outer turf course at these tracks. If they were to run the turf races on this ****, there would be no difference in the results. Its a joke, a real laugher. Shame something so stupid has to tarnish a good track like Keeneland...

#**177** 10-18-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Very good post Joel and 100% accurate. Nothing is worse than the people who simply mill around with this stuff saying 'too bad, its the future'. What a load of bull****. Its as simple as having an inner and outer turf course at these tracks. If they were to run the turf races on this ****, there would be no difference in the results. Its a joke, a real laugher. Shame something so stupid has to tarnish a good track like Keeneland...

Or those guys who own crippled claimers who explan we have to have it so their horses who shouldnt be racing in the first place can run every two weeks.
As if thats "for the good of the whole game".

#**178** 10-18-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Or those guys who own crippled claimers who explan we have to have it so their horses who shouldnt be racing in the first place can run every two weeks.
As if thats "for the good of the whole game".

Yeo, this sport should only be for those who can afford $1mm horse flesh. Yep, that is good for the sport.

todko · #**179** 10-18-2006, 07:42 PM

Poly is here to stay. The main sales pitch by TP/KEE (they are the same company) to other tracks has been reduced maintenance cost. Del-Mar bought into it long before a horse first raced on it in America. The pitch is that it saves tracks $500,000 or so in maintenance costs per year.

It's only recently, and after the Barbaro incident, that they came out with the "it's better for horses" pitch. And that's the hoopla they are telling the public. Face it, tracks never gave a crap about horses' health. In a lot of cases they did the utmost minimum to keep the surface safe.

The same ultra-rich who ran horse racing into the ground to begin with are behind poly. They really are oblivious to the bettor's wishes. They look at the bettor as a hopeless addict. They feel they can do as they please and the bettor will still bet. And maybe they're right.

#**180** 10-18-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Some people can't post their names, because they aren't able to identify themselves on a public message board, I know I can't...

Why, is it in your contract or something?

Comon man, you questioned me and I pointed out that I as much as ANYBODY on here is willing to put my knowledge on the line and my name proves my credability and accountability.....

I don't come on here under a false screen name and say stuff like."I was just at Overbrook and Storm Cat was put down!!!"....anybody can speak without consiquence and accountability and credability....my name is OUT THERE so I speak what I know and sicerely feel about this game....most people appreciate it, I believe....

And no, I'm not an arrogant person....I just believe in my convcitiosn when it comes to this game because I study it day and night....

If you're at the BC, I would gladly like to showe you that I'm not a punk....I know hat you mean about how people's tones are taken wrongly on the internet....I can only be as sincere as possible and hope that people KNOW the kind of person i am through my name and accept that I'm not trying to be a punk....my intentions are very good...