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Old 03-30-2016, 04:08 PM
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Old 03-30-2016, 05:06 PM
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after this race Isofass gets his name changed to Inotsofass.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:10 PM
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5th (1:50) Skip Away S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Team Colors Velazquez J R 117 L
2 Rich Daddy Jaramillo E 121 L
3 Enders Cat Caraballo J C 117 L
4 Hesinfront Gaffalione T 117 L
5 Valid Juarez N 121 L
6 Savoy Stomp Castellano J J 117 L



7th (2:50) Gulfstream Park Oaks (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Paola Queen Castellano J J 122 L
2 Double Entendre Spieth S 122 L
3 Go Maggie Go Saez L 122 L
4 Mo' Green Bravo J 122 L
5 Gomo Gutierrez Mario 122 L
6 Hold On Momma Leparoux J R 122 FTL
7 Off the Tracks Velazquez J R 122 L



8th (3:21) Appleton S. (G3)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 All Included Castellano J J 119 Blk-On L
2 With Exultation Lopez P 121 L
3 Aktabantay (GB) Gaffalione T 117 L
4 Long On Value Lezcano J 119 L
5 Sky Captain Leparoux J R 119 L
6 Divisidero Prado E S 117 L
7 Force the Pass Velazquez J R 119 L
8 Reporting Star Saez L 121 L



10th (4:26) Sir Shackleton S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Brothersofthetime Jaramillo E 117 L
2 Yourdreamsormine Leyva J C 117 L
3 Grande Shores Zayas E J 119 L
4 Squadron A Lezcano J 117 L
5 Defer Heaven Bocachica O 121 L
6 Anchor Down Velazquez J R 117 L
7 W V Jetsetter Castellano J J 117 L
8 Griff Saez L 119 L
9 Just Call Kenny Prado E S 117 L



11th (5:00) Orchid S. (G3)

1 3/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Crisolles (FR) Leparoux J R 119 L
2 Achnaha (IRE) Velazquez J R 117 L
3 Suffused (GB) Lezcano J 117 FTL
4 Photo Call (IRE) Castellano J J 119 L
5 Quiet Kitten Juarez N 117 L
6 Maximova Bravo J 119 L
7 Songoficeandfire Alvarado J 117 L
8 My Sweet Girl Prado E S 117 L
9 Pretty and Sweet (IRE) Reyes L 117 L



12th (5:35) Honey Fox S. (G2)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 E B Ryder Hernandez H 119 L
2 Celestine Alvarado J 119 L
3 Mississippi Delta Leparoux J R 119 L
4 Sandiva (IRE) Castellano J J 123 L
5 Tammy the Torpedo Bravo J 123 L
6 Lady Lara (IRE) Lezcano J 123 L
7 A Little Bit Sassy Saez L 117 L
8 Elusive Collection Velazquez J R 117 L



13th (6:11) Pan American S. (G2)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Kaigun Bravo J 119 L
2 Jay Gatsby Lopez P 117 L
3 Xaverian Gaffalione T 117 L
4 Grand Tito Castellano J J 123 L
5 St. Albans Boy Juarez N 121 L
6 O'Prado Ole Lezcano J 117 L
7 Wake Forest (GER) Velazquez J R 119 L
8 Hello Don Julio Caraballo J C 117 L
9 Seeking Alpha Saez L 117 L
10 Montclair (IRE) Leparoux J R 119 L
MTO Twilight Eclipse Saez L 119 L



14th (6:48) Xpressbet.com Florida Derby (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Sawyers Mickey Spieth S 122 L
2 Fellowship Lezcano J 122 L
3 Majesto Castellano J J 122 L
4 Nyquist Gutierrez Mario 122 L
5 Copingaway Vasquez M A 122 L
6 Chovanes Zayas E J 122 L
7 Takeittotheedge Gaffalione T 122 L
8 Fashionable Freddy Juarez N 122 L
9 Mohaymen Alvarado J 122 L
10 Isofass Leparoux J R 122 FTL
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Old 03-31-2016, 12:59 PM
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Well in the Florida Derby the top 2 are good...not sure of the rest.
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Why is Twilight Eclipse an MTO in the Pan American? Is that a mistake?

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Old 03-31-2016, 01:52 PM
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Why is Twilight Eclipse an MTO in the Pan American? Is that a mistake?

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I was going to ask the same question
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Well in the Florida Derby the top 2 are good...not sure of the rest.
Takeittotheedge crushed sprinting first out very professionally and going away. Considering his dam is a half-sister to GSW & GISP Willa On The Move, I really thought he had a right to improve going a route of ground.

But drilling down here, you find his dam Willathewest, has not exactly produced route runners.

On the bright side, she's produced 5 foals all to race and all winners. Unfortunately they've been, by and large, sprinters and is a measly 3 for 24 with Dirt Route runners:


Dirt Sprints: 21.8% $1.69 55-12-6-13

Dirt Routes: 12.5% $1.73 24-3-5-4

It looks to me as though he's going to the lead and won't do nothing but compromise what little chance Fashionable Freddie may have had - but who knows - he may be a freak. He'll be on my ticket.


If I'm looking at a dark horse here, Chovanes maiden breaker last was much better than the beyer he was assigned. A move up off the last would put him in the Tri/Super mix
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Old 04-02-2016, 10:49 AM
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So you're saying that a mare whose route hoss have been in the money half the time doesn't have it in her to produce a hoss that can cover a distance of ground


On a different note . That Chad brown guy who won the 1x and 2x back to back is a rare angle hoss today. Tough to win the 2 after the one
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Takeittotheedge crushed sprinting first out very professionally and going away. Considering his dam is a half-sister to GSW & GISP Willa On The Move, I really thought he had a right to improve going a route of ground.

But drilling down here, you find his dam Willathewest, has not exactly produced route runners.

On the bright side, she's produced 5 foals all to race and all winners. Unfortunately they've been, by and large, sprinters and is a measly 3 for 24 with Dirt Route runners:


Dirt Sprints: 21.8% $1.69 55-12-6-13

Dirt Routes: 12.5% $1.73 24-3-5-4

It looks to me as though he's going to the lead and won't do nothing but compromise what little chance Fashionable Freddie may have had - but who knows - he may be a freak. He'll be on my ticket.


If I'm looking at a dark horse here, Chovanes maiden breaker last was much better than the beyer he was assigned. A move up off the last would put him in the Tri/Super mix
Chovanes is interesting Dan and I think Majesto has a big shot here.
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:02 PM
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So you're saying that a mare whose route hoss have been in the money half the time doesn't have it in her to produce a hoss that can cover a distance of ground


On a different note . That Chad brown guy who won the 1x and 2x back to back is a rare angle hoss today. Tough to win the 2 after the one
No, I didn't say that at all. What part of "He'll be on my ticket" is confusing you?

The point is the mare has thrown 4x as many sprint winners as routers. I thought that was pretty clear.
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:11 PM
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My error . Thought you were nitpicking
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:13 PM
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Chovanes is interesting Dan and I think Majesto has a big shot here.
He seems to be a wiseguy play here - I'm just not seeing it, Tom. He's had 4 routes and even tossing the Jan 9th effort he would need a herculean effort to even be in the same zip code as these. Also don't like the fact that he seems to be 4-5 wide into the stretch each time -that tells me that he (either by trainer instruction or jockey reaction) does not take dirt in the face and needs to be outside thus has to cover more ground.

Not for me.
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:41 PM
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In the big race I fell the paddock , or the warmup should tell the story. I think that if Nyquist stares that grey hoss down and puts the fear of God into him, than the grey hoss will be off the board.
If the grey hoss looks back and says bring it big boy , they could have at it all the way around and both have little left for the Derby, and maybe nothing left at the 1/16 pole and we get boxcars .
I'm pretty sure they'll know who the other guy is really fast when they see him.
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Old 04-02-2016, 04:49 PM
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I like Majesto here.
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Chovanes is interesting Dan and I think Majesto has a big shot here.
A big shot to what?
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He seems to be a wiseguy play here - I'm just not seeing it, Tom. He's had 4 routes and even tossing the Jan 9th effort he would need a herculean effort to even be in the same zip code as these. Also don't like the fact that he seems to be 4-5 wide into the stretch each time -that tells me that he (either by trainer instruction or jockey reaction) does not take dirt in the face and needs to be outside thus has to cover more ground.

Not for me.
Agree
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I like Nyquist...like a lot. Going big on the nose and that's it.
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Old 04-02-2016, 06:12 PM
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I agree. Should roll
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Old 04-02-2016, 07:03 PM
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that horse is a freak.
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Nice call those who liked Majesto. Exacta was healthy.
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