Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Triple Crown Topics/Archive..
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-16-2018, 07:44 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,276
Default 5/19 (PIM): Preakness Day







__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-16-2018, 09:49 PM
helicopter11
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Turf sprints are the future.
and
Two 3 year old stakes dirt route races back to back is a brilliant move!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-17-2018, 12:02 AM
richard burch's Avatar
richard burch richard burch is offline
Churchill Downs
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,751
Default

Bing Bang Bong!

Superfecta: $1

7 / 1,5 / 1,5,2,4,8 / ALL = $15

LAST YEAR PAID $1,862

PHARAOHS YEAR PAID $1,906
__________________
Support your local Re-run or horse rescue organization.
https://www.rerunottb.com/:)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-17-2018, 09:35 AM
tywizard tywizard is offline
Lincoln Fields
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 438
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richard burch View Post
Bing Bang Bong!

Superfecta: $1

7 / 1,5 / 1,5,2,4,8 / ALL = $15

LAST YEAR PAID $1,862

PHARAOHS YEAR PAID $1,906
If your bet wins it’s impossible that it pays anywhere near the two examples you provide.

In 2015 the second longest shot on the board finished second and the second betting choice was off the board.

Last year the winner was 13-1 and derby winner off the board.

I’m not criticizing your approach but want you to have realistic expectations.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-17-2018, 09:50 AM
moses's Avatar
moses moses is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tywizard View Post
If your bet wins it’s impossible that it pays anywhere near the two examples you provide.

In 2015 the second longest shot on the board finished second and the second betting choice was off the board.

Last year the winner was 13-1 and derby winner off the board.

I’m not criticizing your approach but want you to have realistic expectations.
Maybe I’m doing my math wrong. Isn’t that more than $15?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-17-2018, 11:36 AM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by moses View Post
Maybe I’m doing my math wrong. Isn’t that more than $15?
Absolutely. It's $40.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-17-2018, 05:48 PM
asudevil's Avatar
asudevil asudevil is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,574
Default Question

Is the late pick 4 on Preakness day a guaranteed 1M?
__________________
"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'."
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-17-2018, 06:12 PM
casp0555's Avatar
casp0555 casp0555 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Humble,Texas
Posts: 18,884
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by asudevil View Post
Is the late pick 4 on Preakness day a guaranteed 1M?
I think its $2 million... copied from the Brisnet program
STAKES. 6 Furlongs Dirt. Purse $150,000. Maryland Sprint S.. THREE-YEAR-OLDS AND UPWARD. By free subscription. $1,500 to pass the entry box. Free to start, with $150,000 Guaranteed of which 60% to the winner, 20% to second, 10% to third, 6% to fourth, 3% to fifth and 1% to sixth. Weights: Three Year Olds, 119 lbs.; Older, 124 lbs. Non-winners of $70,000 twice in 2018 allowed 2 lbs.; $70,000 once in 2018, 4 lbs.; $60,000 once in 2018, 6 lbs. (Maiden, Claiming and Starter races not considered in estimating allowances). Trophy to the owner of the winner. Nominations Closed Tuesday, May 8, 2018 with 36 nominations. (04:05PM) (9)
Wager Types: EXACTA, 50 cent TRIFECTA & DAILY DOUBLE (RACES 10-11) / 10 cent SUPERFECTA 50 cent PICK 3 (RACES 10-11-12) $2,000,000 GUARANTEE 50 cent PICK 4 (RACES 10-11-12-13) / $1.00 SUPER HIGH 5
__________________
"Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something" - Plato
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-17-2018, 06:13 PM
asudevil's Avatar
asudevil asudevil is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,574
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by casp0555 View Post
I think its $2 million... copied from the Brisnet program
STAKES. 6 Furlongs Dirt. Purse $150,000. Maryland Sprint S.. THREE-YEAR-OLDS AND UPWARD. By free subscription. $1,500 to pass the entry box. Free to start, with $150,000 Guaranteed of which 60% to the winner, 20% to second, 10% to third, 6% to fourth, 3% to fifth and 1% to sixth. Weights: Three Year Olds, 119 lbs.; Older, 124 lbs. Non-winners of $70,000 twice in 2018 allowed 2 lbs.; $70,000 once in 2018, 4 lbs.; $60,000 once in 2018, 6 lbs. (Maiden, Claiming and Starter races not considered in estimating allowances). Trophy to the owner of the winner. Nominations Closed Tuesday, May 8, 2018 with 36 nominations. (04:05PM) (9)
Wager Types: EXACTA, 50 cent TRIFECTA & DAILY DOUBLE (RACES 10-11) / 10 cent SUPERFECTA 50 cent PICK 3 (RACES 10-11-12) $2,000,000 GUARANTEE 50 cent PICK 4 (RACES 10-11-12-13) / $1.00 SUPER HIGH 5
Thx!!
__________________
"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'."
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-17-2018, 08:30 PM
robfla robfla is offline
Calder Race Course
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Strategically between Calder and Gulfstream
Posts: 1,892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cakes44 View Post
Absolutely. It's $40.

Further muddying the picture...last year, the $1 Superfecta paid: $8,162.80. NOT $1862..( minor details )
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-17-2018, 11:56 PM
richard burch's Avatar
richard burch richard burch is offline
Churchill Downs
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,751
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by robfla View Post
Further muddying the picture...last year, the $1 Superfecta paid: $8,162.80. NOT $1862..( minor details )

even better!...and I don't care if its forty bucks for that prize....

2017....8162
2016...317
2015...1906
2014...174 lowest payout is + $134
2013...1817
2012...425
2011...3016

and on and on and on.....could there be a S'fecta in the last 20 years in the Preakness that paid less than $40? I don't have time for that search.

I don't see how it's a bad bet and I am betting it and I will win!
__________________
Support your local Re-run or horse rescue organization.
https://www.rerunottb.com/:)

Last edited by richard burch : 05-18-2018 at 12:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-18-2018, 12:07 AM
richard burch's Avatar
richard burch richard burch is offline
Churchill Downs
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,751
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cakes44 View Post
Absolutely. It's $40.
My bad...I cant fix it now...its in Gods hands.
__________________
Support your local Re-run or horse rescue organization.
https://www.rerunottb.com/:)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-18-2018, 12:15 AM
moses's Avatar
moses moses is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richard burch View Post
show me your math please.
For a $1 Superfecta:

7 / 1 / 2 / ALL = $5
7 / 1 / 4 / ALL = $5
7 / 1 / 5 / ALL = $5
7 / 1 / 8 / ALL = $5
7 / 5 / 1 / ALL = $5
7 / 5 / 2 / ALL = $5
7 / 5 / 4 / ALL = $5
7 / 5 / 8 / ALL = $5

TOTAL OF BETS = $40
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-18-2018, 12:19 AM
moses's Avatar
moses moses is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richard burch View Post
even better!...and I don't care if its forty bucks for that prize....

2017....8162
2016...317
2015...1906
2014...174 lowest payout is + $134
2013...1817
2012...425
2011...3016

and on and on and on.....could there be a S'fecta in the last 20 years in the Preakness that paid less than $40? I don't have time for that search.

I don't see how it's a bad bet and I am betting it and I will win!
I’ll be making some superfectas as well. Hopefully one of the big ones comes out.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-18-2018, 12:20 AM
moses's Avatar
moses moses is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richard burch View Post
My bad...I cant fix it now...its in Gods hands.
Haha. No biggie. I’m always messing up my math on my bets. Luckily I normally figure it out before I hit the window. Or these days, TVG.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-18-2018, 08:15 AM
Dunbar's Avatar
Dunbar Dunbar is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,962
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richard burch View Post

I don't see how it's a bad bet and I am betting it and I will win!
I'm not suggesting that it's a bad bet, but...There are 40 ways for you to win and 1,640 ways for you to lose.
__________________
Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar
photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-18-2018, 08:15 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Great thread
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-18-2018, 10:46 PM
richard burch's Avatar
richard burch richard burch is offline
Churchill Downs
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,751
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
I'm not suggesting that it's a bad bet, but...There are 40 ways for you to win and 1,640 ways for you to lose.


HA!!! Odds Schmodds...doesn't scare me.
__________________
Support your local Re-run or horse rescue organization.
https://www.rerunottb.com/:)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-19-2018, 06:07 AM
Dunbar's Avatar
Dunbar Dunbar is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,962
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by richard burch View Post
HA!!! Odds Schmodds...doesn't scare me.
I think Han Solo said it better:

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-neve...rs-gif-4901664
__________________
Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar
photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-19-2018, 11:10 AM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

Pimlico is going to destroy Gulfstream’s record for liberal use of the term “0 MTP” today!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:40 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.