Weekend Stakes Beyers: Classic Empire 94

[Kasept]

OP Arkansas Derby (G1): Classic Empire 94 (Pioneerof the Nile) M. Casse/J. Leparoux
OP Apple Blossom H (G1) : Stellar Wind 94 (Curlin) J. Sadler/V. Espinoza
OP Fantasy S (G3): Ever So Clever 83 (Medaglia d'Oro) S. Asmussen/L. Contreras
OP Oaklawn H (G2): Inside Straight 99 (Super Saver) R. Diodoro/G. Franco
OP Count Fleet Sprint H (G3): Whitmore 100 (Pleasantly Perfect) R. Moquett/R. Santana
OP Northern Spur S: Cistron 85 (The Factor) J. Sadler/T. Baze
OP Bachelor S: Recruiting Ready 95 (Algorithms) H. DePaz/H. Karamanos

KEE Jenny Wiley S (G1): Dickinson 100 (Medaglia d'Oro) K. McLaughlin/P. Lopez
KEE Maker's 46 Mile S (G1): American Patriot 101 (War Front) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano
KEE Appalachian S. (G3): La Coronel 87 (Colonel John) M. Casse/F. Geroux
KEE Lexington S (G3): Senior Investment 89 (Discreetly Mine) K. McPeek/C. Hill
KEE Ben Ali S (G3): Watershed 97 (Bernardini) K. McLaughlin/P. Lopez
KEE Giant's Causeway S: Lady Aurelia 97 (Scat Daddy) W. Ward/J. Velazquez

WO Jacques Cartier S: Pink Lloyd 97 (Old Forester) R. Tiller/E. Da Silva
WO Star Shoot S: R Naja 76 (Exchange Rate) M. Stidham/L. Contreras

AQU Plenty of Grace S: Light In Paris-IRE 95 (Aussie Rules) C. Brown/M. Franco

SA Los Angeles S (G3): Lord Simba 101 (Discreet Cat) B. Baffert/M. Garcia
SA San Pedro S: Aristocratic 85 (Malibu Moon) D. O'Neill/R. Bejarano

SUN Sunland Park H: American Dubai -- (E Dubai) R. Richards/K. Tohill
SUN Copper Top Futurity: On the Low Down -- (Dome) T. Fincher/T. Hebert

MVR Austintown Filly Sprint S: Astrollinthepark 88 (Divine Park) J. Jones/M. Murrill
MVR Howard B. Noonan S: Coincidentally 78 (Super Saver) T. Hamm/J. Rodriguez

[richard burch]

empire looked a little green on the wrong lead in the stretch but he could peek at the right time.

[10 pnt move up]

So classic empire will be about 2/1 in that race....

I am going to find a longshot to bet, bad horses win bad races and this year is shaping up historically bad.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

So classic empire will be about 2/1 in that race....

I am going to find a longshot to bet, bad horses win bad races and this year is shaping up historically bad.

9/2 MAYBE

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by freddymo

9/2 MAYBE

Agree. 4-1 9-2 range. With Always Dreaming and IWC not far behind.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

9/2 MAYBE

always dreaming will take decent money but who else will? everyone else will be 20/1 or greater

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

always dreaming will take decent money but who else will? everyone else will be 20/1 or greater

Irish War Cry, Gunnevera, McCraken will all be 15-1 or less

[hondo]

Looked at the race yesterday and thought ...oh clasiic empire is back then watched again and saw the 2 horses on the lead runnibg sideways in the stretch, neither of which wanted the distance. Ok so two races as a 3 year old he and he has not even approached his 2 yesr old Fig of 102.. at 2 years old.... he will be one of the favorites and like others . However don't see many horses stepping up to surprise at Hugh odds ...as many of the entrants are distance challenged at 9f and will be dead at 10f. May be is commingled around but don't see it yet....willl wait and see the run up to the KY Derby.

[hondo]

I'll take 7 to 10 -1 on those horses as below them so far ther is not much... see a lot of horses appear to be having trouble at 9 f..... let see the run to the Derby.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Irish War Cry, Gunnevera, McCraken will all be 15-1 at less

IWC at 15-1? Who else has 2 good, somewhat fast races? He is no worst then 3rd choice.

[hondo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

IWC at 15-1? Who else has 2 good, somewhat fast races? He is no worst then 3rd choice.

Agree. Maybe over emphasized but only 2 horse that show 100 beyers and one of them is questionable.

Been done before and someone may improve but I think you are dealing with a handful who could win as there appear to be quite a few who may be challenged at '9f and will really be challenged at 'this distance .

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Irish War Cry, Gunnevera, McCraken will all be 15-1 at less

IWC feels like 12/1 to me but yea, guess he is one that will take money,

McCraken will not take much money off that last race, and he has no fast races, and Tampa Bay is not going to impress anyone.

Gunnevera may take a little money, maybe he gets down to 15/1 along with Gormley.

[blackthroatedwind]

Gormley should be no lower than 50:1. I'm hard pressed to find a worse horse in the race.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

IWC feels like 12/1 to me but yea, guess he is one that will take money,

McCraken will not take much money off that last race, and he has no fast races, and Tampa Bay is not going to impress anyone.

Gunnevera may take a little money, maybe he gets down to 15/1 along with Gormley.

Gormley 15-1 fresh off that 88 beyer? Wouldn't take 40-1.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

IWC feels like 12/1 to me but yea, guess he is one that will take money,

McCraken will not take much money off that last race, and he has no fast races, and Tampa Bay is not going to impress anyone.

Gunnevera may take a little money, maybe he gets down to 15/1 along with Gormley.

Am i missing something with IWC that is making people say 12 or 15-1? I dont love him but he had 2 big wins that are faster then anything anyone else has run this year. I see 8-1 possibly lower if he's working big time. Remember the Animal Kingdom buzz week of?

[Indian Charlie]

There is no way in Heck that IWC is as high as 12/1.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

There is no way in Heck that IWC is as high as 12/1.

Yeah, I agree. He kind of feels like 8-1 to me.

Who is getting money before him? Classic Empire and Always Dreaming seem like it to me.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah, I agree. He kind of feels like 8-1 to me.

Who is getting money before him? Classic Empire and Always Dreaming seem like it to me.

Those are the two favorites for sure. I suppose their might be some unreasonable McCracken backers.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah, I agree. He kind of feels like 8-1 to me.

Who is getting money before him? Classic Empire and Always Dreaming seem like it to me.

That was my point on Gormly, as a predictor of the publics betting habits...

i agree with andy but wanted it to be clear I was acting as a morning line maker not my line.

[taxicab]

Only two horses in this years field are Gr. 1 winners at 2 & 3.
Classic Empire/Gormley.
Thunder Snow made it close,but the UAE Derby is a Gr. 2.
In terms of Gormley,you'd have to think that a muddy track would suit him well(Gr. 3 skate in the soup).