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Old 11-29-2013, 04:30 AM
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AQU Cigar Mile H (G1): Flat Out 110 (Flatter) W. Mott/J. Alvarado
AQU Remsen S (G2): Honor Code 88 (A.P. Indy) C. McGaughey/J. Castellano
AQU Comely S (G3): Wedding Toast 101 (Street Sense) K. McLaughlin/J. Castellano
AQU Demoiselle S (G2): Stopchargingmaria 77 (Tale of the Cat) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano
AQU Go for Wand H (G2): Royal Lahaina 93 (Chapel Royal) T. Pletcher/J. Ortiz
AQU Fall Highweight H (G3): Palace 104 (City Zip) L. Rice/C. Velasquez
AQU Time for a Change S: Long River 95 (A.P. Indy) K. McLaughlin/I. Ortiz

CD Kentucky Jockey Club S (G2): Tapiture 83 (Tapit) S. Asmussen/R. Santana
CD Golden Rod S (G2): Vexed 80 (Arch) A. Stall/S. Bridgmohan
CD Clark H (G1): Will Take Charge 101 (Unbridled's Song) D. Lukas/L. Saez
CD Falls City H (G2): Wine Princess 95 (Ghostzapper) S. Margolis/S. Bridgmohan

BHP Hollywood Derby(G1): Seek Again 93 (Speightstown) J. Gosden/C. Nakatani
BHP Miesque (G1): Egg Drop 97 (Alphabet Soup) M. Mitchell/M. Garcia
BHP Citation H (G2): Silentio 99 (Silent Name-JPN) G. Mandella/R. Bejarano
BHP Miesque S (G3): Full Ransom 77 (Full Mandate) J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza
BHP Generous S (G3): Global View 83 (Galileo-IRE) T. Proctor/J. Talamo
BHP Underwood S (G3): Majestic Stride 96 (Trippi) J. Bonde/E. Maldonado

GG Berkeley H (G3): Summer Hit 103 (Bertrando) J. Hollendorfer/R. Baze

WO Kennedy Road S (G2): Bear No Joke 101 (It's No Joke) R. Baker/E. Wilson
WO Bessarabian S (G2): Part the Seas 86 (Stormy Atlantic) M. De Paulo/J. McAleney

FG Pago Hop S: Eden Prairie 94 (Mizzen Mast) N. Pessin/R. Napravnik
FG Woodchopper S: Marchman 90 (Sharp Humor) W. Calhoun/J. Theriot
FG Thanksgiving H: Gantry 102 (Pulpit) R. Faucheux/R. Eramia

GP (OFF/TURF) Wait a While S: Candy Kitty 82 (Lemon Drop Kid) T. Pletcher/E. Prado
GP (OFF/TURF) Pulpit S: Storming Inti 68 (Stormy Atlantic) C. Brown/A. Garcia

ZIA Zia Park Oaks: Unusual Way 90 (Unusual Heat) J. Bonde/E. Maldonado
ZIA Zia Park Derby: For Cash 78 (Stephen Got Even) D. Greenwood/A. Arboleda

PEN Fabulous Strike H: Ben's Cat 103 (Parker's Storm Cat) K. Leatherbury/J. Pimentel
PEN Lady in Waiting S: Five Star Momma 83 (Five Star Day) J. Antonucci/J. Pimentel
PEN Swatara S: Taptowne 102 (Tapit) T. Glyshaw/B. Hernandez
PEN Blue Mtn JuvFillies S: Gracer 84 (Exchange Rate) A. Dutrow/J. Rocco
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:09 AM
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Ben's Cat is very cool
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:12 AM
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Has Caixa Electronica done enough? Maybe so. Dont want to see that one be in claimers again.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:25 AM
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CD Clark H (G1): Will Take Charge 101 (Unbridled's Song) D. Lukas/L. Saez

AQU Go for Wand H (G2): Royal Lahaina 93 (Chapel Royal) T. Pletcher/J. Ortiz

BHP Citation H (G2): Silentio 99 (Silent Name-JPN) G. Mandella/R. Bejarano

GG Berkeley H (G3): Summer Hit 103 (Bertrando) J. Hollendorfer/R. Baze

FG Pago Hop S: Eden Prairie -- (Mizzen Mast) N. Pessin/R. Napravnik
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Old 11-30-2013, 06:22 PM
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Preliminary AQU Beyers: Flat Out 110 (Cigar); Wedding Toast 101 (Comely); Honor Code 88 (Remsen); Stopchargingmaria 77 (Demoiselle)..
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:33 PM
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Preliminary AQU Beyers: Flat Out 110 (Cigar); Wedding Toast 101 (Comely); Honor Code 88 (Remsen); Stopchargingmaria 77 (Demoiselle)..
Anyone doing figures for the 9f races today is in for a treat. 11 points for the Remsen over the Demoiselle is sure to draw some comments from the Beyer haters, but having to do them myself I know what a nightmare the routes on the card are. #pace
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:55 PM
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Not a Beyer hater, but as we have discussed before (i.e., Gio Ponti win in 2010 Man 'o War), when figures like this are given in extremely slow paced races, the figure becomes more a performance rating than a speed figure.
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:03 PM
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Not a Beyer hater, but as we have discussed before (i.e., Gio Ponti win in 2010 Man 'o War), when figures like this are given in extremely slow paced races, the figure becomes more a performance rating than a speed figure.
No doubt. The races today are a nightmare. I like to keep the figures as clean as possible, but not sure what point there would be giving the Remsen a 60 either.

I suspect at some point I will move to sliding scales for the value of time and beaten lengths. For example, losing by 5 lengths at 9f in a very slow paced race will count much more than losing by the same distance in a normal paced race. But you still have to give the winner a figure, and that is always going to be tough in these spots.
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:44 PM
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I suspect at some point I will move to sliding scales for the value of time and beaten lengths. For example, losing by 5 lengths at 9f in a very slow paced race will count much more than losing by the same distance in a normal paced race. But you still have to give the winner a figure, and that is always going to be tough in these spots.
This is a great idea.
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AQU Cigar Mile H (G1): Flat Out 110 (Flatter) W. Mott/J. Alvarado
AQU Remsen S (G2): Honor Code 88 (A.P. Indy) C. McGaughey/J. Castellano
AQU Comely S (G3): Wedding Toast 101 (Street Sense) K. McLaughlin/J. Castellano
AQU Demoiselle S (G2): Stopchargingmaria 77 (Tale of the Cat) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano

WO Kennedy Road S (G2): Bear No Joke 101 (It's No Joke) R. Baker/E. Wilson

CD Kentucky Jockey Club S (G2): Tapiture 83 (Tapit) S. Asmussen/R. Santana
CD Golden Rod S (G2): Vexed 80 (Arch) A. Stall/S. Bridgmohan

BHP Miesque S (G3): Full Ransom 77 (Full Mandate) J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza
BHP Generous S (G3): Global View 83 (Galileo-IRE) T. Proctor/J. Talamo

GP (OFF/TURF) Wait a While S: Candy Kitty 82 (Lemon Drop Kid) T. Pletcher/E. Prado
GP (OFF/TURF) Pulpit S: Storming Inti 68 (Stormy Atlantic) C. Brown/A. Garcia

FG Woodchopper S: Marchman -- (Sharp Humor) W. Calhoun/J. Theriot
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Old 11-30-2013, 11:10 PM
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This is a great idea.
I'm full of them, just ask me.

Seriously though, if a length counts more at shorter distances, why not? The crawl fests essentially shorten the races anyway.
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Marty McGee ‏@DRFMcGee Notable Sat. Beyers from #CD:

Tapiture (KJC), 83
Vexed (GRod), 80
Unbridled Forever (MSW), 96
Milam (alw), 84
Conquest Titan (alw), 84
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Marty McGee ‏@DRFMcGee Notable Sat. Beyers from #CD:

Tapiture (KJC), 83
Vexed (GRod), 80
Unbridled Forever (MSW), 96
Milam (alw), 84
Conquest Titan (alw), 84
Not a fan of the trainer, but this one looks like a serious runner.
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Marty McGee ‏@DRFMcGee Notable Sat. Beyers from #CD:

Tapiture (KJC), 83
Vexed (GRod), 80
Unbridled Forever (MSW), 96
Milam (alw), 84
Conquest Titan (alw), 84
I sure thought his race would come back SEVERAL points higher than the KJC 84/83 Any of you guys that do figures what do you think.
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:38 PM
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BHP Hollywood Derby(G1): Seek Again 93 (Speightstown) J. Gosden/C. Nakatani
BHP Miesque (G1): Egg Drop 97 (Alphabet Soup) M. Mitchell/M. Garcia

WO Bessarabian S (G2): Part the Seas 86 (Stormy Atlantic) M. De Paulo/J. McAleney

AQU Time for a Change S: Long River 95 (A.P. Indy) K. McLaughlin/I. Ortiz
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I sure thought his race would come back SEVERAL points higher than the KJC 84/83 Any of you guys that do figures what do you think.
Curious why you think that. I had it about a length slower than KJC, a length faster than the Golden Rod. Of course the 10th was a one turn mile, can't really compare the times of the races directly.
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I sure thought his race would come back SEVERAL points higher than the KJC 84/83 Any of you guys that do figures what do you think.
Visually, it was a cool race to watch!
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