Weekend Stakes Beyers: Danzing Candy 107, Cupid 106

[Kasept]

SA Gold Cup S (G1): Cupid 106 (Tapit) B. Baffert/R. Bejarano
SA Gamely S (G1): Lady Eli 103 (Divine Park) C. Brown/I. Ortiz
SA Monrovia S (G2): Illuminant 98 (Quality Road) M. McCarthy/F. Prat
SA Daytona S (G3): Stormy Liberal 97 (Stormy Atlantic) P. Miller/N. Arroyo
SA Charles Whittingham S (G2): Ashleyluvssugar 98 (Game Plan) P. Eurton/G. Stevens
SA Snow Chief S: Marckie's Water 84 (Tribal Rule) R. Baltas/J. Talamo
SA Melair S: S Y Sky 82 (Grazen) P. D'Amato/J. Talamo

WO Marine S (G3): Souper Tapit 95 (Tapit) M. Casse/F. Geroux
WO Nassau S (G2): Starship Jubilee 94 (Indy Wind) K. Attard/E. Da Silva
WO Lady Angela S: Silver Princess 73 (Old Forester) R. Attfield/R. Hernandez

MTH Red Bank S (G3): Irish Strait 102 (English Channel) H. Motion/O. Bocachica
MTH Blue Sparkler S: Blue Bahia 89 (Wildcat Heir) J. Servis/P. Lopez

CD Winning Colors S (G3): Finley'sluckycharm 98 (Twirling Candy) W. Calhoun/B. Hernandez
CD Keertana Overnight S: Daring Duchess 86 (Arch) M. Maker/J. Leparoux

AP Arlington Classic S (G3): Cowboy Culture 93 (Quality Road) B. Cox/S. Bridgmohan

GG All American S (G3): G. G. Ryder 88 (Chhaya Dance) J. Hollendorfer/I. Orozco

BEL Paradise Creek S: Big Handsome 98 (Street Boss) A. Dutrow/J. Castellano
BEL Commentator S: Weekend Hideaway 100 (Speightstown) P. Serpe/L. Saez
BEL Critical Eye S: Kathryn the Wise 86 (Uncle Mo) C. Brown/I. Ortiz
BEL Mount Vernon S: Fourstar Crook 97 (Freud) C. Brown/J. Castellano
BEL Kingston S: Offering Plan 101 (Spring At Last) C. Brown/J. Castellano
BEL Mike Lee S: T Loves a Fight 87 Girolamo) M. Hushion/K.Carmouche
BEL Bouwerie S: Holiday Disguise 86 (Harlan's Holiday) L. Rice/J. Ortiz

GP Musical Romance S: Money Or Love 80 (J Be K) A. Russo/R. Zimmerman
GP Christmas Past S: Susie Bee 87 (English Channel) M. Maker/T. Gaffalione
GP Opening Lead H: Easy to Say 93 (Eskendereya) M. Sancal/E. Zayas

LS Lone Star Park H (G3) : Danzing Candy 107 (Twirling Candy) B. Baffert/M. Smith
LS Texas Stallion S. Got Koko Division: Gold Shock 65 (My Golden Song) W. Calhoun/I. Arellano
LS Texas Stallion S. Stymie Division: Rumpole 77 (Too Much Bling) R. Young/R. Eramia

PRM Ed Skinner S: Wings Locked Up 90 (Munnings) C. Stuart/D. Cabrera
PRM Jim Rasmussen Memorial S: Way Striking -- (Smart Strike) R. Diodoro/D. Vergara
PRM Jack Bishop S: Ruby Sioux 76 (Wilburn) D. Von Hemel/R. Vazquez
PRM Prairie Rose S: Thoughtless 82 (Rockport Harbor) H. Robertson/R. Vazquez

CBY Northbound Pride Oaks: Hotshot Anna -- (Trappe Shot) M. Robertson/A. Canchari
CBY Honor the Hero S: Shadow Rock -- (Distorted Humor) M. Maker/D. Parker

BTP Green Carpet S Strike Your Light 82 (Majestic Warrior) T. Drury/M. Franklin

[cakes44]

Serious question...what time for 1 1/8th did Lady Eli need for a 110, or even a 115? Thanks in advance to the figure guys!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Serious question...what time for 1 1/8th did Lady Eli need for a 110, or even a 115? Thanks in advance to the figure guys!

Figs are not made exclusively on time.. the other horses in the race are assigned figs as well so you need to gauge their previous capabilities and accomplishments. If LE had won by 8 lengths in that time she likely would have received a much higher fig. Figs are 80% science 15% art and 5% common sense

[cakes44]

So would you call it more of a speed figure or a class figure?

[Indian Charlie]

While I understand Freddy's explanation, wouldn't that mean that Lady Eli would have had to run at least four to five ticks faster to get a high BSF?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

While I understand Freddy's explanation, wouldn't that mean that Lady Eli would have had to run at least four to five ticks faster to get a high BSF?

Yes. That is where I'm at.

[cakes44]

Here's four hypothetical situations that I'm looking for answers for from the Gamely in regards to BSFs...sorry, I can't learn crap unless I take a contrarian point view:

1. LE runs three ticks faster, but GYFR still finishes within a half-length and everyone else ends up not running any quicker. Same BSF or higher?

2. LE runs three ticks faster and beats GYFR by 3+ lengths with everyone else not running any quicker? Same BSF or faster?

3. LE runs the same exact time but GYFR finishes even with Avenge instead of a half length within LE an no one else runs any quicker/slower. Same BSF or faster or slower?

4. LE runs the exact same time, but beats GYFR by 3 lengths and and Avenge and the gang also run 3 lengths slower. Same BSF or faster or slower?

[Kasept]

SA Snow Chief S: Marckie's Water 84 (Tribal Rule) R. Baltas/J. Talamo
SA Melair S: S Y Sky 82 (Grazen) P. D'Amato/J. Talamo

BEL Commentator S: Weekend Hideaway 100 (Speightstown) P. Serpe/L. Saez
BEL Critical Eye S: Kathryn the Wise 86 (Uncle Mo) C. Brown/I. Ortiz
BEL Mount Vernon S: Fourstar Crook 97 (Freud) C. Brown/J. Castellano
BEL Kingston S: Offering Plan 101 (Spring At Last) C. Brown/J. Castellano
BEL Mike Lee S: T Loves a Fight 87 Girolamo) M. Hushion/K.Carmouche
BEL Bouwerie S: Holiday Disguise 86 (Harlan's Holiday) L. Rice/J. Ortiz

GG All American S (G3): G. G. Ryder 88 (Chhaya Dance) J. Hollendorfer/I. Orozco

PRM Jim Rasmussen Memorial S: Way Striking -- (Smart Strike) R. Diodoro/D. Vergara

CBY Northbound Pride Oaks: Hotshot Anna -- (Trappe Shot) M. Robertson/A. Canchari
CBY Honor the Hero S: Shadow Rock -- (Distorted Humor) M. Maker/D. Parker

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

While I understand Freddy's explanation, wouldn't that mean that Lady Eli would have had to run at least four to five ticks faster to get a high BSF?

I am hardily an expert. Assume Lady Eli ran the same time BUT won by 8 and assume they ran an Allowance race at similar or same distance that day and assume the allowance race had 5 together on wire with horses that had established form and figs that warranted a 92 fig. Now assume that the horse finishing 2nd and 3rd in Lady Elis race were established 98 fig horses and finished together (thereabouts) as she was 8 in front then the time and lengths won by would verify a fig outside her norm and would produce a higher measure for the race