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Old 02-03-2021, 06:47 PM
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Old 02-04-2021, 09:15 AM
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Ricochet should get a whale of a set up in the Sam Davis if good enough. should be a nice price to boot.
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Old 02-04-2021, 10:19 AM
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Ricochet should get a whale of a set up in the Sam Davis if good enough. should be a nice price to boot.
I’m sure the Pletcher horse will get hammered here which I hope. Really looking forward to seeing Candy Man Rocket stretch out. Horse is fast and will have my money in this one. Ricochet is interesting here too Dan. Nice exacta horse for sure.


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Old 02-04-2021, 02:58 PM
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I’m sure the Pletcher horse will get hammered here which I hope. Really looking forward to seeing Candy Man Rocket stretch out. Horse is fast and will have my money in this one. Ricochet is interesting here too Dan. Nice exacta horse for sure.


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Hi Tom - link is broken, but I'm seeing a ton of speed inside CMR with not a lot of time to get position going into the first turn. He or anyone else that can take this on the front is going to be pulling off a massive accomplishment.

Not saying he won't win (he's def on my ticket) but speed hung wide going 2 turns for the first time in a G3 is a lot to ask for.

I think this is wide open (realistically 8 or 9 of these wouldn't shock me), and I've seen enough SFD's to know that prices are no surprise (King Gullimero most recently).

Hidden Stash, Known Agenda, Ricochet, and CMR for me.
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Old 02-04-2021, 04:25 PM
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The 6:1 ML on Known Agenda is hilarious. He will likely be a strong favorite and is much the horse to beat.

I guess his under the radar trainer confused them
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Old 02-04-2021, 05:30 PM
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I’ll be surprised if Smiley Sobotka isn’t in the exacta and have him as the horse to beat
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Old 02-04-2021, 08:25 PM
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I’ll be surprised if Smiley Sobotka isn’t in the exacta and have him as the horse to beat
I'll take Known Agenda over Smiley Sobotka and the loser has to agree with Alabama Stakes that Songbird really won the Distaff.
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Old 02-04-2021, 08:35 PM
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The 6:1 ML on Known Agenda is hilarious. He will likely be a strong favorite and is much the horse to beat.

I guess his under the radar trainer confused them
I’d hate to pile on someone who’s job I’d probably screw up worse, but man it’s bad. The other day there was a 15-1 the went off at 9-5 and won by daylight.
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Old 02-04-2021, 09:00 PM
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I'll take Known Agenda over Smiley Sobotka and the loser has to agree with Alabama Stakes that Songbird really won the Distaff.


You got it
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Old 02-04-2021, 10:00 PM
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I’d hate to pile on someone who’s job I’d probably screw up worse, but man it’s bad. The other day there was a 15-1 the went off at 9-5 and won by daylight.
I agree, but some of these people make it so hard on themselves. Making Known Agenda 6:1, when the absolute most he can be is 5:2, creates havoc for the rest of your line, especially in a 12 horse field. You've lost and the battle hasn't even started.

I mean, it's not making Caddo River the second choice dopey, but it's not too clever. Lines are hard enough, get the easy part right.
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Old 02-05-2021, 12:11 AM
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I’ll be surprised if Smiley Sobotka isn’t in the exacta and have him as the horse to beat
Wasn’t Hidden Stash more impressive earlier that day ? Passed 5 hosses on that slow pace in his race.
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Old 02-05-2021, 07:31 AM
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Wasn’t Hidden Stash more impressive earlier that day ? Passed 5 hosses on that slow pace in his race.
You’ve always been hung up on a horse passing others. In this case, it would behoove you to actually watch the race. He certainly didn’t pass 5 horses.
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Old 02-05-2021, 12:39 PM
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Actually he did and despite being a mile wide on the first turn he had the fortitude and energy to fight on down the stretch for the win . It wasn’t a ground saving trip of leading then giving up the lead then leading , then being clear and still not being able to hold on.
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Old 02-05-2021, 01:17 PM
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Any thoughts on Lucky Law in the Sam Davis?
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Old 02-05-2021, 02:24 PM
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Actually he did and despite being a mile wide on the first turn he had the fortitude and energy to fight on down the stretch for the win . It wasn’t a ground saving trip of leading then giving up the lead then leading , then being clear and still not being able to hold on.
He was 3rd three furlongs into the race. Watch it again with your eyes open.
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Old 02-05-2021, 02:29 PM
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Any thoughts on Lucky Law in the Sam Davis?
Hard to say Mike. While horse should be better on dirt I think this is a very tough spot for the horse.
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Old 02-06-2021, 02:22 AM
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The 6:1 ML on Known Agenda is hilarious. He will likely be a strong favorite and is much the horse to beat.

I guess his under the radar trainer confused them
It’s not every day you see a hoss feel the sting of the whip around half way through a 9 furlong race, though he continued on well in the stretch to only get beat 9....
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Old 02-06-2021, 07:39 AM
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It’s not every day you see a hoss feel the sting of the whip around half way through a 9 furlong race, though he continued on well in the stretch to only get beat 9....
I figured you’d respond to the Songbird post. I just didn’t think it’d be almost 2 days later.

You okay?
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Old 02-06-2021, 09:19 AM
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The local forecast changed a bit. The rain was supposed to start tonight. I hope they stay on the turf.
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Old 02-06-2021, 12:01 PM
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I figured you’d respond to the Songbird post. I just didn’t think it’d be almost 2 days later.

You okay?
Just remembering Songbird drowning them in the CCA oaks And prestigious Alabama Stakes at Saratoga that summer.
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