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Old 11-26-2019, 08:10 AM
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Kentucky Derby Future Wager – Pool 1

Future Wager 1 (22 individual 3yo males): http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/up...Future1PPs.pdf

1 American Theorem 50-1
2 Anneau d’Or 20-1
3 Answer In 50-1
4 Authentic 20-1
5 Basin 15-1
6 Dennis’ Moment 15-1

7 Eight Rings 15-1
8 Gouverneur Morris 20-1
9 Great Power 50-1
10 Green Light Go 50-1
11 High Velocity 20-1
12 Honor A. P. 20-1

13 Independence Hall 12-1
14 Maxfield 15-1
15 Scabbard 50-1
16 South Bend 30-1
17 Storm the Court 12-1
18 Structor 20-1

19 Thousand Words 15-1
20 Three Technique 50-1
21 Tiz the Law 20-1
22 Wrecking Crew 50-1
23 All 3-Year-Old Fillies 30-1
24 All Other 3YO Colts & Geldings 6-5
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Kentucky Derby Sire Future Wager 2019-2020

Sire wager (23 sires and their 2yo male progeny): http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/up...y20SirePPs.pdf

1 American Pharoah 8-1
2 Bernardini 30-1
3 Bodemeister 20-1
4 Candy Ride (ARG) 20-1
5 Constitution 6-1
6 Curlin 12-1

7 Declaration of War 30-1
8 Empire Maker 20-1
9 Hard Spun 30-1
10 Honor Code 30-1
11 Into Mischief 20-1
12 Liam’s Map 30-1

13 Medaglia d’Oro 20-1
14 More Than Ready 30-1
15 Pioneerof the Nile 20-1
16 Quality Road 20-1
17 Shackleford 30-1
18 Speightstown 30-1

19 Street Sense 15-1
20 Tapit 12-1
21 Tiznow 15-1
22 Uncle Mo 20-1
23 Union Rags 20-1
24 All Other Sires 4-1
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Old 11-26-2019, 10:00 AM
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Can I book a few million on American Pharoah at 8:1?
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Old 11-26-2019, 10:18 AM
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Can I book a few million on American Pharoah at 8:1?
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Old 11-27-2019, 04:17 AM
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Future Wager 1 (22 individual 3yo males): http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/up...Future1PPs.pdf

Sire wager (23 sires and their 2yo male progeny): http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/up...y20SirePPs.pdf
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Old 11-27-2019, 03:40 PM
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Can I book a few million on American Pharoah at 8:1?
Are there unraced American Pharoah colts that are being hyped up behind the scenes? Not sure there is a single colt that I would currently put in my Derby top 20 sired by him...at least, that I’m aware of.
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Old 11-27-2019, 03:43 PM
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Are there unraced American Pharoah colts that are being hyped up behind the scenes? Not sure there is a single colt that I would currently put in my Derby top 20 sired by him...at least, that I’m aware of.
He’s talking about betting AP not sire
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Old 11-27-2019, 03:52 PM
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He’s talking about betting AP not sire
Oh lol then I apologize for completely missing the joke.
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:09 AM
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He’s talking about betting AP not sire
I don't think so. I read it like @moses did.
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:32 AM
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I don't think so. I read it like @moses did.
hmm...now I'm thinking that there's an "I stand corrected" in my near future.
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:24 AM
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I don't think so. I read it like @moses did.
You were both right. Who does he possibly have that can win the Derby?
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Old 11-28-2019, 11:56 AM
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You were both right. Who does he possibly have that can win the Derby?
Ok good. I wasn’t sure if horses like American Phenom and Best Company were being talked about by insiders. Still, with no identifiable contender for the Derby, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get a lot of money bet on him.
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Old 11-29-2019, 03:09 PM
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Bet unavailable up here in the Great White North
I would have taken #18 Speightstown who is going to be
good value. Most won't take him because of the distance, but he does
have a couple who are runners. Halo Again is 2 for 2 won at CD then
won a stakes at Woodbine going two turns 1 1/8 good connections too...
so a mythical $100 for me.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:00 PM
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I’ve really only got 3 horses I’m interested in betting on.

Green Light Go - If he grows into his frame, he could be a seriously dangerous horse. Early speed, hasn’t taken lasix yet (not sure if any plans to start him on it), and nice pedigree especially on the dam side. Looking for 50-1 or higher.

Independence Hall - If Tiz the Law wins the Kentucky Jockey Club then maybe we’ll see a bunch of money on him and it’ll create some value for Independence Hall. Looking for 18-1 or higher.

Structor - This is more of a wildcard but if I can get 40-1 or higher on him, I’ll place a wager. I don’t think that happens so I probably won’t make the wager.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:29 PM
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Green Light Go is interesting. There is also an argument that the rail wasn't a great place to be on Champagne day, so that effort may be much better than it appears.
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Old 11-30-2019, 01:58 AM
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Seeing Green Light Go at 75-1 at William Hill. Much shorter than that overseas, strangely. Will get some of that when I'm in Vegas next.
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Old 11-30-2019, 10:16 AM
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What casinos in Vegas are still taking Derby futures?
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Old 11-30-2019, 08:30 PM
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Seeing Green Light Go at 75-1 at William Hill. Much shorter than that overseas, strangely. Will get some of that when I'm in Vegas next.
Geeze. He’s dropped to 40-1 in this pool. And Tiz the Law down to 8-1. I’m guessing most people wait until tomorrow to bet so we’ll see how it all plays out.
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