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Old 12-03-2014, 08:14 PM
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Default 12/26 (SA): Malibu, La Brea (G1's), Mathis Bros. Mile (G2)

8th (3:30) Malibu S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Conquest Two Step Talamo J 118 L
2 Chitu Rosario J 118 L
3 Indianapolis Stevens G L 118 L
4 Rprettyboyfloyd Baze T C 118 L
5 Pimpernel Garcia M 118 L
6 Midnight Hawk Espinoza V 118 Blk-Off L
7 Tamarando Leparoux J R 118 L
8 Shared Belief Smith M E 123 L
9 Diamond Bachelor Prat F 118 L
10 Frensham Gutierrez Mario 118 L
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:32 PM
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4 horses to wipe out 1, guess he wants to increase his odds.
It's racing the more horses the better for the bettor and racing. Shame is one trainer has so many good horses
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:02 PM
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It's racing the more horses the better for the bettor and racing. Shame is one trainer has so many good horses


i can't stand that even racing has it's 'big box stores'.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:21 PM
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It's racing the more horses the better for the bettor and racing. Shame is one trainer has so many good horses
Why? And whos fault is it? Certainly not Bafferts, is he supposed to say no thank you? Cant really blame the owners either, if they are going to put all that $$ into the game, why not pick the GOAT?
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:26 AM
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Get your lips off of Baffert's rear and reread Freddy's post. Freddy isn't complaining, it is an observation just like Pletcher on the east coast and his good horses. It would be nice to see the wealth spread around instead of a few trainers that's all the post means. No one at fault, it's the business. If I spent millions on horses, I would want the best trainers also, but, there are other trainers that could do great also if given the same stock.
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Old 12-19-2014, 09:55 AM
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Bayern should be in this race too
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Old 12-19-2014, 09:28 PM
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Now expected for the Malibu:

Chitu, Joel Rosario
Conquest Two Step, Joe Talamo
Eddie’s First, no rider
Indianapolis, no rider
Midnight Hawk, Victor Espinoza
Shared Belief, Mike Smith
It was a very good move to win the prestigious Harlans Holiday at the expense of this race with Liam's Map.
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:31 AM
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It was a very good move to win the prestigious Harlans Holiday at the expense of this race with Liam's Map.
Funny..When i was grooming Elusive Quality at Churchill for Mott i begged him to ship him out for the Malibu after he beat older in a nw2ot. Instead we went to Gulfstream and he won another alls going 7/8 in 1:20 4/5. King of the Heap won the Malibu. Who?
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:16 PM
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last year Baffert won this with a 20-1 longshot, who was he?
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:03 AM
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Old 12-21-2014, 06:03 PM
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6th (2:30) La Brea S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Taris Bejarano R 118 L
2 Uzziel Baze T C 118 L
3 Thank You Marylou Rosario J 118 L
4 Awesome Baby Smith M E 118 L
5 Ramona's Wildcat Van Dyke D 118 L
6 More Complexity Gutierrez Mario 118 L
7 Stonetastic Lopez P 118 L
8 Amaranth Carr D 118 L
9 Sam's Sister Trujillo E 118 L
10 Jojo Warrior Garcia M 118 L



7th (3:00) Mathis Brothers Mile S. (G2)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Patriots Rule Perez F H 118 L
2 Red Outlaw Maldonado E 118 L
3 Ashleyluvssugar Trujillo E 118 L
4 Alert Bay Baze T C 120 L
5 Sawyer's Hill Garcia M 118 L
6 Tonito M. Bejarano R 120 L
7 Heart to Heart Leparoux J R 120 L
8 Louisiana Flyboy Gryder A T 118
9 Home Run Kitten Talamo J 118
10 Long On Value Smith M E 123 L
11 Awesome Return Desormeaux K J 118 L
12 Talco (FR) Van Dyke D 118 L
AE Cool Samurai Espinoza V 118 L
AE Play Hard to Get Nakatani C S 118 L



8th (3:30) Malibu S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Conquest Two Step Talamo J 118 L
2 Chitu Rosario J 118 L
3 Indianapolis Stevens G L 118 L
4 Rprettyboyfloyd Baze T C 118 L
5 Pimpernel Garcia M 118 L
6 Midnight Hawk Espinoza V 118 Blk-Off L
7 Tamarando Leparoux J R 118 L
8 Shared Belief Smith M E 123 L
9 Diamond Bachelor Prat F 118 L
10 Frensham Gutierrez Mario 118 L
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Old 12-26-2014, 08:12 PM
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Shared Belief is a step below California Chrome and Bayern in my opinion... good solid horse but Chrome woulda dusted him during the spring...
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Old 12-26-2014, 08:29 PM
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Shared Belief is a step below California Chrome and Bayern in my opinion... good solid horse but Chrome woulda dusted him during the spring...
We will find out, with a fair break of course.

Todays race was weird with such a slow pace, 45 and change is unheard of in a race of that caliber at SA. Made it a closer finish but in the end the best horse won.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:04 AM
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Shared Belief has a steadfast legion of fans, but realistically, was anyone particularly taken by today's performance? He had a very nice trip and ground out a workmanlike win over a 72-1 shot that just won a N1X on the turf. The 3rd place finisher set a moderate pace and looked like he was done at the 1/4 pole.

I think Shared Belief is a really nice horse. I also think he's better on synthetics than dirt and that could be problematic in 2015. We can all remain hopeful that he will square off with Bayern and California Chrome a few time in the coming months.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:17 AM
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Shared Belief has a steadfast legion of fans, but realistically, was anyone particularly taken by today's performance? He had a very nice trip and ground out a workmanlike win over a 72-1 shot that just won a N1X on the turf. The 3rd place finisher set a moderate pace and looked like he was done at the 1/4 pole.

I think Shared Belief is a really nice horse. I also think he's better on synthetics than dirt and that could be problematic in 2015. We can all remain hopeful that he will square off with Bayern and California Chrome a few time in the coming months.
That maybe all correct.........except the moderate pace part, that was dawdling, if Chitu could not win that race with that setup he is never going to against top class horses.
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Old 12-27-2014, 09:46 AM
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Shared Belief has a steadfast legion of fans, but realistically, was anyone particularly taken by today's performance? He had a very nice trip and ground out a workmanlike win over a 72-1 shot that just won a N1X on the turf. The 3rd place finisher set a moderate pace and looked like he was done at the 1/4 pole.

I think Shared Belief is a really nice horse. I also think he's better on synthetics than dirt and that could be problematic in 2015. We can all remain hopeful that he will square off with Bayern and California Chrome a few time in the coming months.
totally agree. Excited to proven right or wrong in future. Either way I cant lose nor can racing. My gut tells me he is ordinary(relatively speaking) on dirt. I would try him on turf in future because he is a gelding and easier money to be made save the Main Sequence races.
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Old 12-27-2014, 11:18 AM
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Per Hollendorfer, "I wish I could train him at Santa Anita." "We have a full barn here. But he doesn’t get along with this track like he does Golden Gate, so we’re trying to do what’s best for him."

Why is GG best for SB? Why not keep him at SA and have him become more familiar with the surface?
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Old 12-27-2014, 02:28 PM
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Per Hollendorfer, "I wish I could train him at Santa Anita." "We have a full barn here. But he doesn’t get along with this track like he does Golden Gate, so we’re trying to do what’s best for him."

Why is GG best for SB? Why not keep him at SA and have him become more familiar with the surface?
Bad feet, he holds together better on the Tapeta.
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