Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Triple Crown Topics/Archive..
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-29-2018, 08:56 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,250
Arrow 6/9 (BEL): 150th Belmont Stakes Day







__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans

Last edited by Kasept : 06-05-2018 at 08:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-29-2018, 11:07 AM
RolloTomasi's Avatar
RolloTomasi RolloTomasi is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,612
Default

Backyard Heaven has a couple of works since his Derby Day win and Westchester winner Tale of Silence put in a work nearly 2 weeks ago (though he seems to start only once every 2 months).

I wonder if they're looking at the race...
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-29-2018, 11:37 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RolloTomasi View Post
Backyard Heaven has a couple of works since his Derby Day win and Westchester winner Tale of Silence put in a work nearly 2 weeks ago (though he seems to start only once every 2 months).

I wonder if they're looking at the race...
Backyard Heaven is going to the Foster.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-29-2018, 12:13 PM
moses's Avatar
moses moses is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,622
Default

I’m not sure I like Limousine Liberal over 7 furlongs.

Any word on when we might see Sharp Azteca back? I thought the Met Mile was a possibility.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-29-2018, 01:33 PM
Alabama Stakes Alabama Stakes is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: suffolk downs
Posts: 5,811
Default

Bolt D'oro should handle those handily.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-29-2018, 03:00 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Should be a cakewalk for Bee Jersey if that's the field.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-29-2018, 04:21 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
Should be a cakewalk for Bee Jersey if that's the field.
I was going to say something similar. Not a lot of speed.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-29-2018, 04:56 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHT2004 View Post
I was going to say something similar. Not a lot of speed.
Huh? Ransom the Moon would be all over him IMO.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-29-2018, 04:59 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes View Post
Bolt D'oro should handle those handily.
BDO doesn’t handle much handily.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-29-2018, 09:27 PM
LITF LITF is offline
Cahokia Downs
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 152
Default

Anyone know where I can find the probables for the other stake races on Belmont Day?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-30-2018, 08:44 AM
pweizer's Avatar
pweizer pweizer is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leominster, MA
Posts: 1,599
Default

Looks like Patch is intended for this race too.

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-30-2018, 09:21 AM
MaTH716's Avatar
MaTH716 MaTH716 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 11,438
Default

No one talking about Mind Your Biscuits? I guess you need to worry about the Dubai bounce, but he was the only horse to make up and ground that day in Dubai.
__________________
Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!"
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-30-2018, 09:27 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaTH716 View Post
No one talking about Mind Your Biscuits? I guess you need to worry about the Dubai bounce, but he was the only horse to make up and ground that day in Dubai.
He also saved more ground than the second and third finishers. Speed track or rail track?

By the way, none of that means he's not a major threat to win the Met.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-30-2018, 09:43 AM
MaTH716's Avatar
MaTH716 MaTH716 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 11,438
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
He also saved more ground than the second and third finishers. Speed track or rail track?

By the way, none of that means he's not a major threat to win the Met.
Andy, I don't think he saved any ground. He was 3 deep for most of the race and finished widest of all.
__________________
Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!"
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-30-2018, 09:55 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaTH716 View Post
Andy, I don't think he saved any ground. He was 3 deep for most of the race and finished widest of all.
I believe according to Trakus he covered less ground than the second and third horses.

The second horse should have won. He got a dreadful ride. He's a rocket ship and his rider allowed a much slower horse to outrun him early while he set up shop outside of him. Roy H's rider couldn't get him wide and in the clear fast enough. It was only a two million dollar race. Why bother paying attention to how the track was playing?

Not knocking Mind Your Biscuits. He's pretty amazing. However, that race was very poorly ridden by his chief competitors. It seems like this has been ignored because we were all sort of shocked by Mind Your Biscuit's late run.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-30-2018, 09:58 AM
MaTH716's Avatar
MaTH716 MaTH716 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 11,438
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
I believe according to Trakus he covered less ground than the second and third horses.

The second horse should have won. He got a dreadful ride. He's a rocket ship and his rider allowed a much slower horse to outrun him early while he set up shop outside of him. Roy H's rider couldn't get him wide and in the clear fast enough. It was only a two million dollar race. Why bother paying attention to how the track was playing?

Not knocking Mind Your Biscuits. He's pretty amazing. However, that race was very poorly ridden by his chief competitors. It seems like this has been ignored because we were all sort of shocked by Mind Your Biscuit's late run.
This is fair. I would admit discounting everything else that happened in the race because I was so awestruck of the way he closed into a track that I perceived to be speed biased.
__________________
Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!"
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-30-2018, 01:32 PM
moses's Avatar
moses moses is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
I believe according to Trakus he covered less ground than the second and third horses.

The second horse should have won. He got a dreadful ride. He's a rocket ship and his rider allowed a much slower horse to outrun him early while he set up shop outside of him. Roy H's rider couldn't get him wide and in the clear fast enough. It was only a two million dollar race. Why bother paying attention to how the track was playing?

Not knocking Mind Your Biscuits. He's pretty amazing. However, that race was very poorly ridden by his chief competitors. It seems like this has been ignored because we were all sort of shocked by Mind Your Biscuit's late run.
I believe Desormeaux said Roy H stumbled at the start and I guess he used the horse up to make up for that. Haven’t really watched to confirm.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-30-2018, 02:37 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,935
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by moses View Post
I believe Desormeaux said Roy H stumbled at the start and I guess he used the horse up to make up for that. Haven’t really watched to confirm.
Always good to confirm things Kent says.
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-30-2018, 05:23 PM
declansharbor's Avatar
declansharbor declansharbor is offline
Hialeah Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Exit 30
Posts: 6,357
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind View Post
Always good to confirm things Kent says.
Like that "rocket ship" that he tweeted about and rode for D Jacobsen on Derby Day of last year or the year before. Caldera?? or something like that!

__________________
"A person who saw no important difference between the fire outside a Neandrathal's cave and a working thermo-nuclear reactor might tell you that junk bonds and derivatives BOTH serve to energize capital"

- Nathan Israel
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-31-2018, 01:07 AM
taxicab's Avatar
taxicab taxicab is offline
Ellis Park
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 484
Default

Golden Shaheen:
MYB = Navy blue/orange markings.
Roy = Aqua blue.
Pretty exciting tilt.....

https://youtu.be/w2qoe7Q4aiI
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.