10/3 (BEL): JCGC, Champagne, Frizette, Flwr Bowl (G1's), Kelso, Hill Prince

[Kasept]

5th (2:33) Kelso H. (G2)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Appealing Tale Talamo J 118 L
2 Honor Code Castellano J J 124 L
3 Scarly Charly Ortiz J L 113 L
4 Tamarkuz Ortiz I Jr 118 L
5 Red Vine Rosario J 116 L
6 Mylute Velazquez J R 114 L
7 Matterhorn Bravo J 116 L



6th (3:08) Flower Bowl S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Stephanie's Kitten Ortiz I Jr 121 L
2 Regardez (GB) Rosario J 119 L
MTO Rosalind Rosario J 121 L
4 America Alvarado J 119 L
5 Watsdachances (IRE) Bravo J 123 L
MTO Tiz So Sweet 119 L
7 Mutatis Mutandis (IRE) Velazquez J R 119 FTL
8 Curvy (GB) Lordan W M 121 FTL
9 Distorted Beauty Ortiz J L 119 L
10 Danza Cavallo (FR) Castellano J J 119 L



7th (3:43) Frizette S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 She's All Ready Alvarado J 120 L
2 Width Ortiz J L 120
3 Nemoralia Rosario J 120 FTL
4 Anna Rae Bravo J 120 L
5 Nickname Castellano J J 120 L
6 Desert Tune Velazquez J R 120
7 Where's the D Ortiz I Jr 120 L



8th (4:18) Champagne S. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Magna Light Ortiz J L 122 L
2 Greenpointcrusader Bravo J 122 L
3 Ready Dancer Velazquez J R 122 L
4 Sail Ahoy Rosario J 122
5 Ralis Castellano J J 122 L
6 Rafting Ortiz I Jr 122 FTL
7 Tale of S'avall Velasquez C 122 FTL
8 Sunny Ridge Alvarado J 122 L
9 Portfolio Manager Franco M 122 L



9th (4:53) Hill Prince S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Macher Luzzi M J 116 L
2 Vision Perfect Cancel E 116 L
3 Winter Springs (FR) Alvarado J 116 L
4 Jay Gatsby Jara F 116 FTL
5 Takeover Target Ortiz J L 120 L
6 Courtier Trujillo E 116 L
7 Royal Albert Hall (GB) Velazquez J R 116 L
8 Great Dancer (IRE) Bravo J 116 L
9 Money Multiplier Castellano J J 116 L
10 World Approval Rosario J 118 L
11 Tale of Life (JPN) Ortiz I Jr 116 L
12 Nonna's Boy Decarlo C P 116 L
MTO Good Luck Gus 116 L



10th (5:28) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Wicked Strong Rosario J 126 L
2 Coach Inge Ortiz I Jr 126 L
3 Constitution Castellano J J 126 L
4 Effinex Alvarado J 126 L
5 Looks to Spare Parker D L 126 L
6 Tonalist Velazquez J R 126 L

[ateamstupid]

It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.

actually it is a smart move by Shug,

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

actually it is a smart move by Shug,

Didn't say it was dumb.

[FATPIANO]

sorry, the word you used was lame

[Danzig]

i think the kelso is a good prep for what they have planned next for honor code, the bc classic.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think the kelso is a good prep for what they have planned next for honor code, the bc classic.

And the JCGC isn't?

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And the JCGC isn't?

Shug said he didn't want to prep for 1 1/4 by running a 1 1/4. Used the Met Mile > Whitney as the example.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And the JCGC isn't?

i can see why shugs doing what he's doing.
not a knock on the jcgc.
also, if he did poorly at 10f saturday, what would that prep him for on bc weeked?
the kelso is right up his alley, shouldn't take as much out of him, and gives him a great prep for going 10f in a few weeks.
that way, the only question is going 10f...not whether this wknd takes too much out of him.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.

Agree.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can see why shugs doing what he's doing.
not a knock on the jcgc.
also, if he did poorly at 10f saturday, what would that prep him for on bc weeked?
the kelso is right up his alley, shouldn't take as much out of him, and gives him a great prep for going 10f in a few weeks.
that way, the only question is going 10f...not whether this wknd takes too much out of him.

Considering he ran probably the best race of his life the last time he was cut back, I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile if he is not effective at 1 1/4.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

Considering he ran probably the best race of his life the last time he was cut back, I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile if he is not effective at 1 1/4.

but they aren't pointing him to the dirt mile.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but they aren't pointing him to the dirt mile.

Which part of my post in answer to your suggestion that if he ran in the JCGC and did not handle a 1 1/4 that it would not prep him for anything on Breeder's Cup day suggests that I am not aware that they are pointing him to the Classic?

[cakes44]

I think it's great and he'll be primed for the Classic. Who was the last American horse to run 1 1/4 in his prep and run worth a darn in the Classic? Maybe I didn't think thoroughly and there's one or two I missed?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

Which part of my post in answer to your suggestion that if he ran in the JCGC and did not handle a 1 1/4 that it would not prep him for anything on Breeder's Cup day suggests that I am not aware that they are pointing him to the Classic?

Because you wrote

I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I think it's great and he'll be primed for the Classic. Who was the last American horse to run 1 1/4 in his prep and run worth a darn in the Classic? Maybe I didn't think thoroughly and there's one or two I missed?

Pretty difficult to have a long list considering how few 10-furlong dirt races are left on the calendar, but Curlin and Blame seemed to do OK in BC Classics after prepping in the JCGC. Bernardini too. No idea why prepping at the same distance of an upcoming big race would be a detriment. If anything, it should be beneficial, especially for a horse like Honor Code with no experience at the distance.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pretty difficult to have a long list considering how few 10-furlong dirt races are left on the calendar, but Curlin and Blame seemed to do OK in BC Classics after prepping in the JCGC. Bernardini too. No idea why prepping at the same distance of an upcoming big race would be a detriment. If anything, it should be an advantage, especially for a horse like Honor Code with no experience at the distance.

Yep, there you go then. Just seems like pussing these horses into the BC seems to work out more often than not nowadays. Not saying I'm a fan myself.

[Danzig]

I'm just glad his ultimate goal is the classic, not the dirt mile. We just had a conversation on here about the mile vs the classic....and I applaud shug for going for it.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I'm just glad his ultimate goal is the classic, not the dirt mile. We just had a conversation on here about the mile vs the classic....and I applaud shug for going for it.

You suggested that if he ran poorly in the JCGC that it would not serve as a prep for Breeder's Cup. I suggested that being that he is unproven at the distance, they could answer that question by running in the JCGC. It could have the benefit of answering that question and if in the negative give the option to run at a mile with a set up for a situation he ran well off the last.

[blackthroatedwind]

I think I'll defer to Shug. He's pretty good.

At the end of the day, his handling of Honor Code has been exceptional. Why would anyone question him now?