Weekend Stakes Beyers

[Kasept]

CD Stephen Foster H: Fort Larned 115 (E Dubai) I. Wilkes/B. Hernandez
CD Fleur de Lis H (G2): Funny Proposition 90 (Medaglia d'Oro) M. Casse/J. Rosario
CD Regret S (G3): Kitten's Dumplings 91 (Kitten's Joy) M. Maker/J. Rosario
CD Matt Winn S (G3): Code West 92 (Lemon Drop Kid) B. Baffert/R. Napravnik

BHP Vanity H (G1): Byrama-GB 91 (Byron-GB) S. Callaghan G. Stevens
BHP Willard L. Proctor S: Kobe's Back 68 (Flatter) J. Sadler/R. Bejarano
BHP Cinderella S: Sprouts 66 (Square Eddie) E. Freeman/M. Gutierrez
BHP Desert Stormer H: Include Me Out 92 (Include) R. Ellis/J. Talamo
BHP ALW (7f): Paynter 114 (Awesome Again) B. Baffert/R. Bejarano

MTH Pegasus S (G3): Verrazano 96 (More Than Ready) T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez
MTH Dan Horn H: Richiefromshoprite 82 (Iron Deputy) S. Machiz/G. Saez
MTH Crank It Up S: Ju Ju Eyeballs 80 (Gators N Bears) J. Servis/P. Lopez

IND Centaur S: Free World 92 (Stormy Atlantic) T. Amoss/C. Landeros
IND Girls, Inc. of Shelbyville, S: Frontside 84 (War Front) E. Caramori/M. St. Julien
IND J. Kenneth Self Boys and Girls Club: A Diehl 87 (Aldebaran) G. Arnold/M. Pedroza

BEL Hill Prince S (G3): Notacatbutallama 83 (Harlan's Holiday) T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez
BEL Bed o' Roses H (G3): Dance to Bristol 95 (Speightstown) O. Figgins/X. Perez
BEL Bit of Whimsy S: Maximova 79 (Danehill Dancer-IRE) C. Clement/J. Lezcano

WO Steady Growth S: Ultimate Destiny 88 (Dance to Destiny) A. Fehr/E. Da Silva
WO Zadracarta S: Northern Passion 84 (First Samurai) M. Casse/L. Contreras
WO Victoria Park S: Five Iron 84 (Sharp Humor) R. Martin/L. Contreras

DEL Obeah S (G3): Bryan's Jewel 85 (Rockport Harbor) M. Robertson/A. Cintron
DEL Go for Wand S: Tell a Great Story 87 (Bluegrass Cat) I. Correas/F. Boyce

AP Black Tie Affair H: Coalport -- (Kitten's Joy) W. Catalano/J. Graham
AP Lincoln Heritage H: La Tia -- (City Place) A. De la cerda/C. Roman

GG Lost in the Fog S: Skydreamin 43 (Sky Mesa) J. Bonde R. Baze

BEU Sydney Gendelman Memorial H: Catlaunch -- (Noble Cat) I. Vazquez/M. Fadlovich

CBY Brooks Fields S: Hammers Terror -- (Artie Schiller) M. Stidham/D. Butler

[docicu3]

BHP ALW (7f): Paynter 114 (Awesome Again) B. Baffert/R. Bejarano


Looked great but 114 ....really?

[Kasept]

Based on how fast he went, what was behind him and how far behind they were, particularly 3rd/4th Kate's Event & Fly Lexis Fly, the number had to be bulky.

[keithting]

Steve:

Really interested to see the Thoro for Kobe's Back - in a "world of trouble" and what a performance !!!!

[ateamstupid]

Fort Larned 115
Funny Proposition 90
Code West 92
Kitten's Dumplings 91

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

poor royal delta

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

BHP Willard L. Proctor S: Kobe's Back 68 (Flatter) J. Sadler/R. Bejarano

Rarely do 68 Beyers come as visually impressive as that one did.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Rarely do 68 Beyers come as visually impressive as that one did.

I watched the race live and thought it was special.. What I have learned over time is a 68 BSf is still a slow race. I remember all this talk about Agaves Kiss and how easy she won etc etc. I suspect this is another such horse. Head and shoulders above his piers but ultimately is just an ok type

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I watched the race live and thought it was special.. What I have learned over time is a 68 BSf is still a slow race. I remember all this talk about Agaves Kiss and how easy she won etc etc. I suspect this is another such horse. Head and shoulders above his piers but ultimately is just an ok type

The problem with that race is no one enters anything really unless baffert is gung ho about getting one of his two year olds going early and he didn't, this race is just above mdn claimers at del mar in my book, not saying this horse isn't any good just that the race quality is that poor.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by docicu3

BHP ALW (7f): Paynter 114 (Awesome Again) B. Baffert/R. Bejarano


Looked great but 114 ....really?

I don't buy it for a second. Great story, but they went really slow early and he flew home. The variant isn't the same used for other sprints to give that horse a 114.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't buy it for a second. Great story, but they went really slow early and he flew home. The variant isn't the same used for other sprints to give that horse a 114.

CJ,

Seemed high to me too with the runner up reaching a significant new top... But aren't the consistent pair that nosed together 3rd/4th the qualifier with typical low 90's efforts?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Kasept

CJ,

Seemed high to me too with the runner up reaching a significant new top... But aren't the consistent pair that nosed together 3rd/4th the qualifier with typical low 90's efforts?

I'd be leary of thinking horses that are way back ran their typical race chasing a much better horse...possible but unlikely in my opinion.

My main point was the race was broken out from the others. I know the chart is a little different now on synthetics, but it isn't THAT different.

Just rough look using 5ths:

R1: Raw Beyer, 92, Beyer 79, Fast 13
R2: Raw Beyer, 79, Beyer 64, Fast 15
R3: Raw Beyer, 84, Beyer 74, Fast 10
R5: Raw Beyer, 72, Beyer 59, Fast 13
R7: Raw Beyer,118, Beyer 114, Fast 4?????

At the very least, it is broken out 6 points from the other 7f race, R3. At most it is broken out about 9 points. Still, that is pretty significant and given the very slow pace hard to imagine those horses running that fast. Dawdling paces don't lead to fast final times.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Still, that is pretty significant and given the very slow pace hard to imagine those horses running that fast. Dawdling paces don't lead to fast final times.

I realize numbers that are fast for one track might be slow at another, but how are these dawdling? :22.68, :45.67, 1:09.56

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I realize numbers that are fast for one track might be slow at another, but how are these dawdling? :22.68, :45.67, 1:09.56

On the 100 point scale, here are the figures for the race:

First quarter: 81
Second quarter: 77
Final time figure: 90

The race was a -13, just from the 3/8ths pole to the finish line.

Without using numbers, and figures from algorithms to explain it. Here's the far more simple way to do it.

Race #3 was the days other 7 furlong race. Compare the fractions and final time with Paynter's race.

Race #3: $8,000 Claiming Race at 7fs: 22.45, 45.47, 1:24.79

Race #7: Paynter ALW race at 7fs: 22.68, 45.67, 1:21.86


Basically, Paynter got away with setting slower fractions than the $8,000 claiming horses to both the 1/4 and the 1/2. However, he rocketed home in the final 3 furlongs. His final time was about 18 lengths faster than the cheap claimers.

Again, the latter explanation showing Paynter setting slower fractions than 8k claimers at the same distance is a very dumbed down explanation ... sometimes 8k claimers can be run at very wicked paces. The 8/1 shot who set faster fractions than Paynter finished 2nd in the cheap claimer.