Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Authentic 105

[Kasept]

CD Kentucky Derby (G1): Authentic 105 (Into Mischief) B. Baffert/J. Velazquez
CD Old Forester Turf S (G1): Digital Age-IRE 105 (Invincible Spirit-IRE) C. Brown/J. Castellano
CD Derby City Distaff S (G1): Bell's the One 97 (Majesticperfection) N. Pessin/C. Lanerie
CD Distaff Turf Mile S (G2): Beau Recall (IRE) 99 (Sir Prancealot-IRE) B. Cox/M. Franco
CD American Turf S (G2): Fancy Liquor 95 (Lookin At Lucky) M. Maker/F. Geroux
CD Pat Day Mile S (G2): Rushie 91 (Liam's Map) M. McCarthy/J. Castellano
CD Iroquois S (G3): Sittin On Go 84 (Brody's Cause) D. Romans/C. Lanerie

CD Kentucky Oaks (G1): Shedaresthedevil 101 (Daredevil) B. Cox/F. Geroux
CD La Troienne S (G1): Monomoy Girl 97 (Tapizar) B. Cox/F. Geroux
CD Alysheba S (G2): By My Standards 102 (Goldencents) W. Calhoun/G. Saez
CD Eight Belles S: (G2): Sconsin 96 (Include) G. Foley/J. Graham
CD Edgewood S: (G2): Sharing 90 (Speightstown) H. Motion/M. Franco
CD T/S Turf Sprint S: (G2): Diamond Oops 90 (Lookin At Lucky) P. Biancone/F. Geroux
CD Pocahontas S (G3): Girl Daddy 77 (Uncle Mo) D. Romans/J. Talamo
CD Opening Verse S: Crafty Daddy 97 (Scat Daddy) K. McPeek/B. Hernandez
CD Unbridled Sidney S: Ambassador Luna 79 (Brethren) J. Gulick/J. Leparoux
CD Champions Day Marathon S: Ry's the Guy 87 (Distorted Humor) I. Wilkes/C. Landeros

SAR Hopeful S (G1): Jackie's Warrior 95 (Maclean's Music) S. Asmussen/J. Rosario
SAR Lure S: Ballagh Rocks 97 (Stormy Atlantic) W. Mott/J. Alvarado
SAR Spinaway S (G1): Vequist 83 (Nyquist) R. Reid/L. Saez
SAR Honorable Miss H (G2): Come Dancing 95 (Malibu Moon) C. Martin/I. Ortiz
SAR Lucky Coin S: Battle Station 94 (Warrior's Reward) R. Atras/K. Carmouche
SAR Woodward H (G1): Global Campaign 104 (Curlin) S. Hough/L. Saez
SAR Prioress S (G2): Frank's Rockette 97 (Into Mischief) W. Mott/J. Alvarado
SAR Glens Falls S (G2): Civil Union 94 (War Front) C. McGaughey/J. Rosario
SAR Jim Dandy S (G2): Mystic Guide 95 (Ghostzapper) M. Stidham/J. Ortiz
SAR Funny Cide S: Thin White Duke 68 (Dominus) P. Gleaves/J. Rosario
SAR Seeking the Ante S: Samborella 71 (Outwork) J. Englehart/L. Saez
SAR Fleet Indian S: Makingcents 77 (Goldencents) J. Englehart/L. Saez
SAR West Point S: Rinaldi 99 (Posse) H. Bond/L. Saez
SAR Yaddo S: Myhartblongstodady 90 (Scat Daddy) J. Abreu/J. Lezcano
SAR Albany S: Chestertown 85 (Tapit) S. Asmussen/J. Ortiz
SAR New York Stallion Series S: Officer Hutchy 79 (Boys At Tosconova) R. Atras/D. Davis
SAR P. G. Johnson S: Simply Ravishing 81 (Laoban) K. McPeek/L. Saez
SAR With Anticipation S: Fire At Will 65 (Declaration of War) M. Maker/I. Ortiz

DMR Del Mar Debutante S (G1): Princess Noor 79 (Not This Time) B. Baffert/V. Espinoza
DMR Del Mar Derby (G2): Pixelate 88 (City Zip) M. Stidham/U. Rispoli
DMR Del Mar Futurity (G1): Dr. Schivel 74 (Violence) L. Mendez/F. Prat
DMR Del Mar Juvenile Turf S: Big Fish 67 (Mr. Big) D. Hofmans/V. Espinoza
DMR Juvenile Fillies Turf S: Madone 64 (Vancouver-AUS) S. Callaghan/F. Prat
DMR John C. Mabee S (G2): Raymundos Secret 91 (Treasure Beach-GB) P. D'Amato/F. Prat
DMR I'm Smokin S: Good With People 77 (Curlin to Mischief) P. Miller/A. Cedillo

KD Tourist Mile S: Flavius 103 (War Front) C. Brown/J. Castellano
KD More Than Ready Juvenile S: Barrister Tom 71 (Artie Schiller) M. Ewing/T. Baze
KD Mint Juvenile Fillies S: Plum Ali 71 (First Samurai) C. Clement/T. Gaffalione
KD One Dreamer S: Dalika-GER 89 (Pastorius-GER) A. Stall/M. Mena

MTH Red Bank S (G3): Analyze It 100 (Point of Entry) C. Brown/J. Bravo
MTH Sorority S: Mischievous Dream 58 (Into Mischief) C. Clement/J. Bravo
MTH Sapling S: Waist Deep 71 (Oxbow) A. Farrior/J. Vargas

WO Vigil S (G3): Pink Lloyd 97 (Old Forester) R. Tiller/R. Hernandez

GP Smile Sprint S (G3): Cool Arrow 99 (Into Mischief) T. Pompay/L. Reyes
GP Miss Gracie S: Maries Melody 76 (Point of Entry) R. Minguet/A. Burgos
GP Bear's Den S: Monforte 84 (Carpe Diem) R. Gracida/E. Prado
GP Monroe S: Always Shopping 83 (Awesome Again) T. Pletcher/E. Zayas
GP Mr. Steele S: Sailing Solo 94 (Smart Strike) L. Roussel/E. Prado
GP Benny The Bull S: Noble Drama 95 (Gone Astray) D. Fawkes/H. Berrios
GP Sheer Drama S: Heiressall 87 (Wildcat Heir) T. Pompay/M. Vasquez

LRL Laurel Dash S: Completed Pass 91 (Pass Rush) C. Gonzalez/A. Cruz
LRL Henry S. Clark S: Doctor Mounty 91 (Street Sense) C. McGaughey/F. Boyce
LRL Federico Tesio S: Happy Saver 94 (Super Saver) T. Pletcher/T. McCarthy
LRL Weber City Miss S: Grand Cru Classe 81 (Bernardini) W. Mott/J. Pimentel
LRL All Along S: Nay Lady Nay-IRE 96 (No Nay Never) C. Brown/V. Carrasco
LRL Polynesian S: Eastern Bay 93 (E Dubai) C. Gonzalez/A. Cruz
LRL Alma North S: Never Enough Time 82 (Munnings) M. Trombetta/J. Pimentel
LRL Deputed Testamony S: Harpers First Ride 96 (Paynter) C. Gonzalez/A. Cruz
LRL Twixt S: Wicked Awesome 85 (Awesome Again) A. Allen III/H. Karamanos

PRX Banjo Picker Sprint S: Midtowncharlybrown 85 (Uptowncharlybrown) E. Coletti/R. Rosado
PRX Mrs. Penny S: Its a Journey 78 (Jump Start) J. Ness/M. Sanchez
PRX Storm Cat S: Wait for It 97 (Uptowncharlybrown) E. Coletti/A. Nunez
PRX Marshall Jenney H: The Critical Way 91 (Tizway) J. Delgado/R. Silvera
PRX Dr. Garofalo Memorial S: Pink Caddy 81 (El Padrino) R. Allen/M. Sanchez

ALB Casino at the Downs TB Derby: Effort N Results 60 (Shame On Charlie) J. Marr/M. Fuentes

EMD Muckleshoot Derby: Gold Crusher 77 (Harbor the Gold) F. Lucarelli/H. Martinez
EMD Washington Oaks: Princess of Cairo 82 (Cairo Prince) G. Todd/G. Wales

GG Rolling Green S: Camino Del Paraiso 97 (Suances-GB) O. Jauregui/C. Martinez

[King Glorious]

Don't know what she'll look like on the Beyer scale but Princess Noor has now won twice with the greatest of ease and has all the looks of a future star.

[Kasept]

SAR Hopeful S (G1): Jackie's Warrior 95 (Maclean's Music) S. Asmussen/J. Rosario
SAR Lure S: Ballagh Rocks 97 (Stormy Atlantic) W. Mott/J. Alvarado
SAR Spinaway S (G1): Vequist 83 (Nyquist) R. Reid/L. Saez
SAR Honorable Miss H (G2): Come Dancing 95 (Malibu Moon) C. Martin/I. Ortiz
SAR Lucky Coin S: Battle Station 94 (Warrior's Reward) R. Atras/K. Carmouche

DMR Del Mar Debutante S (G1): Princess Noor 79 (Not This Time) B. Baffert/V. Espinoza
DMR Del Mar Derby (G2): Pixelate 88 (City Zip) M. Stidham/U. Rispoli
DMR Del Mar Futurity (G1): Dr. Schivel 74 (Violence) L. Mendez/F. Prat
DMR Del Mar Juvenile Turf S: Big Fish 67 (Mr. Big) D. Hofmans/V. Espinoza
DMR Juvenile Fillies Turf S: Madone 64 (Vancouver-AUS) S. Callaghan/F. Prat

KD Tourist Mile S: Flavius 103 (War Front) C. Brown/J. Castellano
KD More Than Ready Juvenile S: Barrister Tom 71 (Artie Schiller) M. Ewing/T. Baze
KD Mint Juvenile Fillies S: Plum Ali 71 (First Samurai) C. Clement/T. Gaffalione
KD One Dreamer S: Dalika-GER 89 (Pastorius-GER) A. Stall/M. Mena

LRL Laurel Dash S: Completed Pass 91 (Pass Rush) C. Gonzalez/A. Cruz
LRL Henry S. Clark S: Doctor Mounty 91 (Street Sense) C. McGaughey/F. Boyce
LRL Federico Tesio S: Happy Saver 94 (Super Saver) T. Pletcher/T. McCarthy
LRL Weber City Miss S: Grand Cru Classe 81 (Bernardini) W. Mott/J. Pimentel
LRL All Along S: Nay Lady Nay-IRE 96 (No Nay Never) C. Brown/V. Carrasco

MTH Sorority S: Mischievous Dream 58 (Into Mischief) C. Clement/J. Bravo
MTH Sapling S: Waist Deep 71 (Oxbow) A. Farrior/J. Vargas

GP Monroe S: Always Shopping 83 (Awesome Again) T. Pletcher/E. Zayas
GP Mr. Steele S: Sailing Solo 94 (Smart Strike) L. Roussel/E. Prado
GP Benny The Bull S: Noble Drama 95 (Gone Astray) D. Fawkes/H. Berrios
GP Sheer Drama S: Heiressall 87 (Wildcat Heir) T. Pompay/M. Vasquez

PRX Banjo Picker Sprint S: Midtowncharlybrown 85 (Uptowncharlybrown) E. Coletti/R. Rosado
PRX Mrs. Penny S: Its a Journey 78 (Jump Start) J. Ness/M. Sanchez
PRX Storm Cat S: Wait for It 97 (Uptowncharlybrown) E. Coletti/A. Nunez
PRX Marshall Jenney H: The Critical Way 91 (Tizway) J. Delgado/R. Silvera
PRX Dr. Garofalo Memorial S: Pink Caddy 81 (El Padrino) R. Allen/M. Sanchez

GG Rolling Green S: Camino Del Paraiso 97 (Suances-GB) O. Jauregui/C. Martinez

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Don't know what she'll look like on the Beyer scale but Princess Noor has now won twice with the greatest of ease and has all the looks of a future star.

"Future"? She won the West Coast's most important juvy filly G1. Kinda a star now. Gary Young, who bought her, said last week on the show that if she stays healthy, she's a generational talent.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kasept

"Future"? She won the West Coast's most important juvy filly G1. Kinda a star now. Gary Young, who bought her, said last week on the show that if she stays healthy, she's a generational talent.

One could look at it that way and I suppose when considering all horses, a grade one winner is special. I meant more in the sense that she could be a superstar, one that stands out from other grade one winners.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

"Future"? She won the West Coast's most important juvy filly G1. Kinda a star now. Gary Young, who bought her, said last week on the show that if she stays healthy, she's a generational talent.

She’s obviously very talented...but her main rival pulled up and the rest were just fillers on Sunday. She’s been VERY good so far and maybe she will turn out to be a generational talent but I can’t imagine she’ll ever be able to live up to that kind of praise.

Gamine was supposedly a generational talent too

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

She’s obviously very talented...but her main rival pulled up and the rest were just fillers on Sunday. She’s been VERY good so far and maybe she will turn out to be a generational talent but I can’t imagine she’ll ever be able to live up to that kind of praise.

Gamine was supposedly a generational talent too

Is Gamine's opportunity at that distinction eliminated because she got beat at 9f?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Is Gamine's opportunity at that distinction eliminated because she got beat at 9f?

No...but when a filly who runs by appointment only fails to switch leads at the top of the stretch like she has in her 4 prior races I’m thinking we might not get to see her on track too much longer. I hope I’m wrong, but that was not the same horse the final 1/4 as we have seen.

She’s not a two turn horse IMO and I don’t think we’ll ever get to see her run enough to think of her that way. Again, I hope I’m wrong...just trying to be realistic. Do you see Gamine having a long career?

My only point was I’m sure the guy who bought Princess Noor thinks highly of her. Based on her first two she could be any kind. Just seems funny to me to think of a horse in this era as a generational talent when they don’t run enough to warrant it.

[Alabama Stakes]

79 beyer seems a little light for a generational talent . Jackie’s Warrior looks like he is wicked fast. The only part of him the competition sees of him is his ass.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

No...but when a filly who runs by appointment only fails to switch leads at the top of the stretch like she has in her 4 prior races I’m thinking we might not get to see her on track too much longer. I hope I’m wrong, but that was not the same horse the final 1/4 as we have seen.

She’s not a two turn horse IMO and I don’t think we’ll ever get to see her run enough to think of her that way. Again, I hope I’m wrong...just trying to be realistic. Do you see Gamine having a long career?

My only point was I’m sure the guy who bought Princess Noor thinks highly of her. Based on her first two she could be any kind. Just seems funny to me to think of a horse in this era as a generational talent when they don’t run enough to warrant it.

Well, that calls for a determination of how much racing (and achievement) is enough to define a horse among its' peers and historically.

Gamine has had a pretty steady season debuting March 7 and then running on May 5, June 20, July 8, Sept 4 (with pandemic issues affecting the spacing between the first 2 starts). If she is going to turn out to be a one turn horse, then she ran quite OK Friday. Owner Peterson likes the action, so as long as she's healthy, she'll run. Baffert is staying in KY through the first part of KEE Sale next week, so we'll get an update later in the month when he gets back to California (assuming CA is still there). If she's directed towards the F&M Sprint, it will be a corker with her v. Serengeti.



Baffert echoed Gary Young's enthusiasm regarding Noor and her prospects on Monday. And to Dan's point, he specifically discussed the quick turnaround from first start to the Debutante and desire/instructions not to ask too much of her. The Chandelier is too soon (9/26), so I'd guess she trains up to the BC J-Fillies. She'll definitely have to speed it up at KEE and you may not get a read on her until next year.

[Dahoss]

Gamine has made 5 starts through September of her 3 year old year. I don’t need to be Larry Bramlage to figure out she’s had some issues. I think the failure to switch leads until late is a sign of things to come, regardless of how much her owner likes the action.

I don’t think you get the same brilliance from her around two turns that you do one turn. Do you?

I’m sure Baffert thinks Princess Noor is great too. What else is he going to say? When has a trainer or someone who bought a horse come on your show and NOT said something glowing about their horse?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Gamine has made 5 starts through September of her 3 year old year. I don’t need to be Larry Bramlage to figure out she’s had some issues. I think the failure to switch leads until late is a sign of things to come, regardless of how much her owner likes the action.

I don’t think you get the same brilliance from her around two turns that you do one turn. Do you?

I’m sure Baffert thinks Princess Noor is great too. What else is he going to say? When has a trainer or someone who bought a horse come on your show and NOT said something glowing about their horse?

There's any number of trainers who visit ATR that provide forthcoming, nuanced insight about the level of talent/progress of their horses, including, (maybe especially), Baffert.

Gamine didn't make the races at 2.. Is that highly unusual? She was approaching a debut at DMR when she was paused 90 days. She resumed training in November and prepared for the March debut. She's appeared regularly since. Of course the one turning Acorn/Test efforts stand out. We'll see how they proceed. Her worktab & race calendar is below. Is that the training and race record of an unsound horse?

RACE 9/4
Del Mar 08/29/2020 Dirt 6F 1:11.60 Handily 1/5
Del Mar 08/22/2020 Dirt 5F 1:00.80 Handily 15/74
RACE 8/8
Del Mar 08/02/2020 Dirt 6F 1:12.80 Handily 1/4
Del Mar 07/26/2020 Dirt 6F 1:12.60 Handily 2/7
Del Mar 07/19/2020 Dirt 5F 1:00.60 Handily 9/96
Del Mar 07/12/2020 Dirt 4F 48.80 Handily 25/106
Santa Anita 06/29/2020 Dirt 4F 51.40 Breezing 31/33
RACE 6/20
Santa Anita 06/13/2020 Dirt 6F 1:13.00 Handily 3/11
Santa Anita 06/07/2020 Dirt 6F 1:11.80 Handily 1/3
Santa Anita 05/31/2020 Dirt 4F 48.20 Handily 9/52
Santa Anita 05/24/2020 Dirt 4F 48.80 Handily 13/47
Santa Anita 05/16/2020 Dirt 4F 47.60 Handily 12/64
RACE 5/2
Santa Anita 04/24/2020 Dirt 5F 59.20 Handily 1/55
Santa Anita 04/16/2020 Dirt 5F 1:00.80 Handily 9/46
Santa Anita 04/04/2020 Dirt 6F 1:14.20 Handily 5/12
Santa Anita 03/29/2020 Dirt 5F 1:01.40 Handily 32/71
Santa Anita 03/22/2020 Dirt 4F 48.00 Handily 13/69
RACE 3/7
Santa Anita 03/02/2020 Dirt 4F 46.40 Handily 3/43
Santa Anita 02/23/2020 Dirt 6F 1:12.80 Handily 4/12
Santa Anita 02/13/2020 Dirt 4F 47.20 Handily 2/32
Santa Anita 02/05/2020 Dirt 5F 1:00.20 Handily 2/41
Santa Anita 01/29/2020 Dirt 5F 1:01.00 Handily 4/27
Santa Anita 01/22/2020 Dirt 5F 1:02.20 Handily 12/29
Santa Anita 01/15/2020 Dirt 4F 48.80 Handily 9/50
Santa Anita 01/08/2020 Dirt 4F 51.20 Handily 33/36
Los Alamitos Quarter Horse 12/29/2019 Dirt 4F 49.00 Handily 25/44
Los Alamitos Quarter Horse 12/19/2019 Dirt 4F 47.80 Handily 2/12
Los Alamitos Quarter Horse 12/12/2019 Dirt 4F 51.20 Handily 30/34
Los Alamitos Quarter Horse 12/02/2019 Dirt 3F 37.20 Handily 13/19
Los Alamitos Quarter Horse 11/24/2019 Dirt 3F 36.20 Handily 5/20
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Del Mar 07/31/2019 Dirt 5F 1:00.60 Handily 4/36
Del Mar 07/25/2019 Dirt 5F 1:00.00 Handily 1/50
Del Mar 07/18/2019 Dirt 5F 1:01.20 Handily 13/37
Santa Anita 07/10/2019 Dirt 4F 48.40 Handily 4/65
Santa Anita 07/04/2019 Dirt 4F 47.80 Handily 2/39
Santa Anita 06/26/2019 Dirt 4F 48.80 Handily 8/52
Santa Anita 06/19/2019 Dirt 3F 36.60 Handily 8/29
Santa Anita 06/13/2019 Dirt 3F 37.00 Handily 6/17
Santa Anita 06/06/2019 Dirt 3F 36.80 Handily 6/23

[Dahoss]

Steve come on...I’m familiar with her work tab and race record. Don’t do that.

5 starts through September of your 3 year old season, even with Covid doesn’t scream warhorse. She’s worth a lot of money as a broodmare. Way more money than she could probably earn on the track.

I hope she runs 20 more times. But is anyone going to be surprised if she runs 2 more times?

I was playfully (I thought) needling you about the Gary Young comment. Of course the guy who bought the horse is going to speak highly of her. Hes self promoting. Being a generational talent (whatever that means nowadays) means he’s good at picking horses out. And he is.

I was trying to have some fun with you.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I was trying to have some fun with you.

[King Glorious]

My question would be a simple one. Does she have to run and excel at 9f or more in order to be deemed great? I know that in this country, dirt runners that compete at 9f (females) and 10f (males) are considered the best but I’ve never looked at it that way. We look down on sprinters and grass horses usually as horses that failed to continue on to the classic distances on dirt. So my question to Dahoss is this, is there anything that Gamine could do, even if she ran regularly next year, that would be good enough to call her a generational talent if she’s kept at 7-8f?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

My question would be a simple one. Does she have to run and excel at 9f or more in order to be deemed great? I know that in this country, dirt runners that compete at 9f (females) and 10f (males) are considered the best but I’ve never looked at it that way. We look down on sprinters and grass horses usually as horses that failed to continue on to the classic distances on dirt. So my question to Dahoss is this, is there anything that Gamine could do, even if she ran regularly next year, that would be good enough to call her a generational talent if she’s kept at 7-8f?

Of course she could. Again, I’m not sure what that means nowadays anyway....but yes she could do things next year and at the end of this year that would make me think she’s generational

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Of course she could. Again, I’m not sure what that means nowadays anyway....but yes she could do things next year and at the end of this year that would make me think she’s generational

I also don't know what it means. I think of generational as once every 18-20 years and she certainly appears good but I don't know if she's that. If he means best of her class, I could agree with that although she didn't help her case in the Oaks. If she stays at sprinting and one-turn miles, I think she'll have a hard time making a case to be generational in any sense unless she goes on to face makes and takes races like the Met Mile and Forego.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

79 beyer seems a little light for a generational talent . Jackie’s Warrior looks like he is wicked fast. The only part of him the competition sees of him is his ass.

Juvy winner. But has great turf foot too. He looks the part , but his action is a little funny up front left.