Weekend Stakes Beyers: Arrogate 115

[Kasept]

[10 pnt move up]

Best 115 of all time...LOL

[richard burch]

Impressive victory. Unless some super 3 year old colt comes up he's winning any race he is in.

Good for Bob . Is there a nicer guy?

[Kasept]

SUN Sunland Derby (G3): Hence 93 (Street Boss) S. Asmussen/A. Juarez
SUN Sunland Park Oaks: Ghalia 68 (Medaglia d'Oro) T. Pletcher/J. Ortiz
SUN La Coneja S: Woodacouldadid 74 (Minister Eric) J. Gonzalez/E. Gonzalez
SUN Bill Thomas Memorial S: Redneck Humor 95 (Da Stoops) J. Evans/M. Perez
SUN New Mexico Breeders' Derby: Go for a Stroll 62 (Attila's Storm) T. Fincher/T. Hebert
SUN Harry Henson H: K P Wildcat 79 (Include) W. Martin/R. Chirinos
SUN New Mexico Breeders' Oaks: Pink Cadillac 65 (Diabolical) J. Marr/K. Tohill

TP Spiral S (G3): Fast and Accurate 82 (Hansen) M. Maker/T. Gaffalione
TP Bourbonette Oaks (G3): Purely a Dream 84 (Pure Prize) K. McPeek/R. Albarado
TP Rushaway S: Montu 76 (Dialed In) J. Deegan/R. Prescott

SA San Luis Rey S (G2): Itsinthepost-FR 98 (American Post-GB) J. Mullins/T. Baze
SA Dream of Summer S: Skye Diamonds 95 (First Dude) W. Spawr/T. Pereira

OP Purple Martin S Golden Mischief (via DQ) 79 (Into Mischief) S. Asmussen/G. Franco

GP Skip Away S (G3): Fear the Cowboy 93 (Cowboy Cal) E. Loza/J. Rios
GP Any Limit S: Who's the Lady 79 (Munnings) K. O'Connell/P. Lopez

AQU Cicada S: Bluegrass Flag 87 (Bluegrass Cat) T. Morley/K. Carmouche

MVR Southern Park S: Nikki My Darling 64 (Creative Cause) J. Radosevich/L. Colon

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Best 115 of all time...LOL

Not too many last-to-first 115s that I can think of off the top of my head.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Not too many last-to-first 115s that I can think of off the top of my head.

[cakes44]

Though I'm certain Secretariat's Preakness would qualify if they made a BSF for it.

[Thunder Gulch]

This is an obvious case where the number most definitely doesn't begin to tell the story.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Not too many last-to-first 115s that I can think of off the top of my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxLI014JEDQ

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Kitan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxLI014JEDQ

Couldn't get a better setup though.

[cakes44]

What was Midnight Lute's BSF in the 2007 BC sprint? I think Benny the Bull was even further back than him in that race though...

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Kitan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxLI014JEDQ

Ghostzapper was one hell of a horse

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ghostzapper was one hell of a horse

Yup he was, but at this point Arrogate has surpassed him.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Yup he was, but at this point Arrogate has surpassed him.

I don't compare horses of this quality unless they run against each other. Its too hard and would be splitting hairs.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I don't compare horses of this quality unless they run against each other. Its too hard and would be splitting hairs.

I agree. Ghostzapper may have been more versatile based on winning Grade 1's
Sprinting and routing, but I doubt we'll ever find out if Arrogate can do the same (and it really shouldn't matter, based on his immense talent).

[Dunbar]

Great race by Arrogate, but I think Jay Hovdey's DRF article on assessing greatness is on the mark:

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-asses...storys-lessons

[Indian Charlie]

His Travers was impossible to believe when I watched it. It was infinitely more impressive to me than the DWC. I never thought he was in serious trouble in the race (he is at least ten lengths better than everyone else, and in fact, has beaten Gun Runner by double digit lengths) while in the Travers he pulled away by daylight after setting a pretty healthy pace.

I'd have to rate his Travers as one of the most impressive, if not the most impressive, races I've ever seen. It was also certainly the most unbelievable performance, beating Cee's Tizzy's maiden win for making me think I just saw something impossible.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I don't compare horses of this quality unless they run against each other. Its too hard and would be splitting hairs.

Cant one argue GZ was a tad dressed up. Huge # in the slop at Monmouth and then an uncontested soft pace in the the Classic, where i have read some sort of deal was made that GZ and Rosses in May wouldn't kill each other early on. I think GZ was great, but closer to the horse we saw beat St Liam when he ran like a 114 beyer rather then a 120 type monster.
Thats what Arrogate is. Just a big monster who can break last do something hes never had to do still win in hand and run a 115 beyer.

[cakes44]

Awesome discussion about GZ vs Arrogate. One thing I'll throw out there is that I think Arrogate would have a really hard time keeping up with serious sprinters at 6-7f, whereas GZ absolutely embarrassed them.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Not too many last-to-first 115s that I can think of off the top of my head.

Victory Gallop, Wagon Limit, Milwaukee Brew, Festin, Aptitude, Real Quiet, Tejano Run, Unbridled, Turkoman, Pleasant Tap, Pleasantly Perfect...