What is the most immediate challenge facing the United States right now?

[Riot]

Pick one

Jobs takes care of 3 of those so yeahhhh.

Problem is they can't create competitive jobs with all of the unFair Trade agreements.

[bigrun]

Create jobs.....IN THE USA...

Good luck with that....the old jobs will never return...how could they...

In this small community, past 15 years or so had 5 good sized mfg plants close..
2 Textile
2 Furniture
1 Paper

and a few smaller plants...

Now located in China, Malaysia, Nam, Korea et al...

[Riot]

Well, we'd better think of something to do, to create, to manufacture, to invent. We're up against it.

[dellinger63]

Not on your list but ultimately self-responsibility (that simple). Cut government and its programs by 50% this year. Under the constitution everyone is born equal so there is no need for entitlements. Start there! Charities in America are wonderful. Let the hearts of America cut out the Federal bureaucracy and let them (US Gov.) worry about governing and keeping rule of law, and NOTHING else!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Not on your list but ultimately self-responsibility (that simple). Cut government and its programs by 50% this year. Under the constitution everyone is born equal so there is no need for entitlements. Start there! Charities in America are wonderful. Let the hearts of America cut out the Federal bureaucracy and let them (US Gov.) worry about governing and keeping rule of law, and NOTHING else!

So have you stopped living off the government teat yet? Do you refuse to buy FDA approved drugs, and get all your drugs (including aspirin, etc) off the internet from other countries? Have you stopped buying packaged meats, stopped driving on federal highways? Stopped watching TV?

I'm counting on you to set the "live off the grid in my independent compound" standard here

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Create jobs.....IN THE USA...

Good luck with that....the old jobs will never return...how could they...

In this small community, past 15 years or so had 5 good sized mfg plants close..
2 Textile
2 Furniture
1 Paper

and a few smaller plants...

Now located in China, Malaysia, Nam, Korea et al...

Then stop shopping at Walmart, or CVS, or Walgreens, or Dollar General, or Citgo, Or Mobile, or Target, or Big Lots, Or Cracker Barrel or, or...Look at your closet and then bitch about where stuff is made

You can buy plenty of products made in the USA if you really want to...but I bet ya' don't...

Truth hurts

[joeydb]

Don't forget that "giving" tax cuts to businesses (both small and large) in the private sector is one of the only ways to create private sector jobs.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Don't forget that "giving" tax cuts to businesses (both small and large) in the private sector is one of the only ways to create private sector jobs.

Joey.. It is no longer 1975 Any tax cuts will line the pockets of corporate execs.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Don't forget that "giving" tax cuts to businesses (both small and large) in the private sector is one of the only ways to create private sector jobs.

Why, if that worked, did we lose thousands of jobs under Bush? The complete opposite happened.

Bush did that in 2001 and 2003, gave massive tax cuts to business, and that oversaw the greatest, fastest job loss of thousands of jobs, and a decline into the greatest recession since the Great Depression. Why didn't that work?

Why did Reagan have to raise taxes multiple times to help counter his rising unemployment?

History shows giving tax cuts does not create private sector jobs.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why, if that worked, did we lose thousands of jobs under Bush? The complete opposite happened.

Bush did that in 2001 and 2003, gave massive tax cuts to business, and that oversaw the greatest, fastest job loss of thousands of jobs, and a decline into the greatest recession since the Great Depression. Why didn't that work?

Why did Reagan have to raise taxes multiple times to help counter his rising unemployment?

History shows giving tax cuts does not create private sector jobs.

How do we know that we wouldn't have lost thousands more if we hadn't cut the taxes?

The fact is that businesses need to remain profitable to remain in business. If you cut an expense (like taxes), then the business can continue. Whether the business does relocate is still up to the owners or management, but without profitability, there is no shot at keeping a business here. They will either move or close up.

Tax hikes certainly don't help. They accelerate the demise of a profitability-challenged business.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

So have you stopped living off the government teat yet? Do you refuse to buy FDA approved drugs, and get all your drugs (including aspirin, etc) off the internet from other countries? Have you stopped buying packaged meats, stopped driving on federal highways? Stopped watching TV?

I'm counting on you to set the "live off the grid in my independent compound" standard here

I don't take any FDA drugs unless you count Flintstones chewable vitamins. I buy most of my meat from Sorgs in Darien WI, where they butcher cows, pigs etc. on-site. Unfortunately despite being in business with an unblemished record for five generations, they are still subject to Fed inspections (I'd still shop there w/o them). And when I drive to Chicago it's on 294 (a State TOLLWAY). And as I've said before the government has no business being involved in television either as a regulator or producer. If PBS and NPR can't stand on their own they need to lay down and die. All they are doing is taking up bandwith.

BTW with the rain WI has had the past two weeks the corn will be another bumper crop. Too bad the fed government had nothing to do with it ther than getting in the way.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Then stop shopping at Walmart, or CVS, or Walgreens, or Dollar General, or Citgo, Or Mobile, or Target, or Big Lots, Or Cracker Barrel or, or...Look at your closet and then bitch about where stuff is made

You can buy plenty of products made in the USA if you really want to...but I bet ya' don't...

Truth hurts

Nooooooo, not Cracker Barrel...My favorite breakfast, scrambled eggs with gravy and biscuits and 3 strips of bacon!!...That good stuff is made in China!!
I'm crushed....Who among us doesn't do some business at Walmart...i only buy food there, no clothes...btw, all my clothes are at least 10 years old...i'm an old guy...My bedroom, living room, dining room and den furniture are 95% made in USA...but at least 15 years old...
Anyways, i was just saying there is no middle class anymore and the jobs they had aren't coming back...Couple months ago at this furniture store i picked up a Hallmark card off a table and on the back 'Made in China' for crissakes!...wtf...btw, assume everything in your house is made in the USA..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How do we know that we wouldn't have lost thousands more if we hadn't cut the taxes?

Because history shows that cutting taxes doesn't create jobs.

The fact is that businesses need to remain profitable to remain in business.

The facts:
We are in the worse recession recovery ever.
Taxes have never been lower.
The top 10 businesses in the United States paid zero income tax last year.
Corporate profits were record last year.

Our economy is a disaster. Explain why trickle-down theories you are proposing have never actually worked in this country in the past 100 years, and are literally not working right now.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't take any FDA drugs unless you count Flintstones chewable vitamins.

Yes, those count. You should give those up, to put out of service the FDA who oversees your safety and the quality of the claim you are purchasing, and replace with real food or imported vitamins.

I buy most of my meat from Sorgs in Darien WI, where they butcher cows, pigs etc. on-site. Unfortunately despite being in business with an unblemished record for five generations, they are still subject to Fed inspections (I'd still shop there w/o them).

Well, you're encouraging the USDA to exist to protect your food safety. That will have to change. Guess you can slaughter your own? Fish! Oh, wait - the EPA controls the amount of toxins we can dump in your lakes.

And when I drive to Chicago it's on 294 (a State TOLLWAY).

Receives federal funds. Guess you'll have to just take 59 south.

And as I've said before the government has no business being involved in television either as a regulator or producer.

You need to stop watching television, as the government helps control the cost. You need to get off the grid, and go to totally private satillite transmissions.

BTW with the rain WI has had the past two weeks the corn will be another bumper crop. Too bad the fed government had nothing to do with it ther than getting in the way.

Oh, the affordability of corn is helped by the government.

Looks like everything you benefit from on a daily basis has been helped by your fellow citizens, and the decisions we've made to benefit us all in society.

What a horrible life you suffer from in this country, living off the riches of our mutual societal benefits! If you are going to bitch about 100% of the rest of what this society decides to do as a group for our mutual benefit, I'd think you would need to actively stop benefiting.

You remind me of Michelle Bachmann, railing against the government while she collects farm subsidies, federal funding for her husbands business, and federal campaign funds.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, those count. You should give those up, to put out of service the FDA who oversees your safety and the quality of the claim you are purchasing, and replace with real food or imported vitamins.



Well, you're encouraging the USDA to exist to protect your food safety. That will have to change. Guess you can slaughter your own? Fish! Oh, wait - the EPA controls the amount of toxins we can dump in your lakes.



Receives federal funds. Guess you'll have to just take 59 south.



You need to stop watching television, as the government helps control the cost. You need to get off the grid, and go to totally private satillite transmissions.



Oh, the affordability of corn is helped by the government.

Looks like everything you benefit from on a daily basis has been helped by your fellow citizens, and the decisions we've made to benefit us all in society.

What a horrible life you suffer from in this country, living off the riches of our mutual societal benefits! If you are going to bitch about 100% of the rest of what this society decides to do as a group for our mutual benefit, I'd think you would need to actively stop benefiting.

You remind me of Michelle Bachmann, railing against the government while she collects farm subsidies, federal funding for her husbands business, and federal campaign funds.

You really are a sucker born on a Holiday w/e.

Yea w/o the federal government I'd be on a dirt road, watching no TV and fishing for my food as Sorgs and all my neighbors would cease growing corn and raising cattle w/o the OK of Obama and his Fed! Drug companies wouldn't be able to develop anything and Dr.'s w/o Fed guidance would be lost.

I don't get a gov. check and don't expect one till probably 70. But then again Ponzi has been taking money every paycheck to buy IOU's in Ponzi treasuries and now 20 years before I can hope to get some Ponzi money, Ponzi is claiming unless he is able to borrow more Ponzi IOU's he won't be able to send out any Ponzi checks this month! I'm not a sucker and was born on a tuesday.

Stop being ignorant on purpose!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Nooooooo, not Cracker Barrel...My favorite breakfast, scrambled eggs with gravy and biscuits and 3 strips of bacon!!...That good stuff is made in China!!
I'm crushed....Who among us doesn't do some business at Walmart...i only buy food there, no clothes...btw, all my clothes are at least 10 years old...i'm an old guy...My bedroom, living room, dining room and den furniture are 95% made in USA...but at least 15 years old...
Anyways, i was just saying there is no middle class anymore and the jobs they had aren't coming back...Couple months ago at this furniture store i picked up a Hallmark card off a table and on the back 'Made in China' for crissakes!...wtf...btw, assume everything in your house is made in the USA..

I make about 70% of the ugly crap in their gift shop I can guarantee you it isn't made in the USA.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Stop being ignorant on purpose!

My ignorance is your blatant hypocrisy. So it goes

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I make about 70% of the ugly crap in their gift shop I can guarantee you it isn't made in the USA.

Other than breakfast there, the only other things i bought was their orange marmalade (and they no longer have it) and once bought an old movie dvd...none of the other junk....oh, forgot, couple times bought 2lb pack of their bacon...